ARRGH!! Coach driving me nuts

[Buz]

Hi all

Identifying the one coach for Dunsandle is driving me nuts.

I have looked at Dunsandle and Loughrea here  http://eiretrains.com/stationindex/

in stations D and stations L

From an earlier answer given to me on a different thread I know it was one coach modified to have storage heating the pictures appear to show more than one coach type on the branch.

Given the focus of the pictures is more on the locomotive I am having trouble working out if my original idea find a Bachmann Irish train set brake third and repaint is the answer

or do I need something else iether  kit or RTR but preferably RTR

If I can find the right coach, from information I have found on the net (if it's correct)  that coach and the Loco I have can run the Wednesday services giving me a starting point to build on

Looks like I might have enough Peco set track points for the station and start of the ballast pit line they should be OK given the slow speeds and short trains I might even have 3' of old Triang wide platform I can use think I have the short ramps as well might be a bit steep but if it gets me started that's me happy.

regards John

Edited September 7, 2020 by Buz

[Mayner]

The saga of CIE Brake Standard coaches is a bit complicated.

CIE built 10 Brake Standards of two different designs in 1950s and converted a further 23 Standard and Composite coaches to Brake Standards and Brake 1st in the early 1970s.

A Laminate Brake Standard from the 1909-1913 series dating from the late 1950s was fitted with storage heaters for use with the G611 Class locos on the Branch in 1963. The "Loughrea Coach" (I don't recall the number) entered service on the branch in the light green livery.

Jonathan Allens 1971 photo of B163 with a Laminate Brake at Loughrea.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/152343870@N07/26240340648/in/album-72157714061635252/

The Laminate appears to have been replaced at some stage by 1904 a 1904-1908 series Brake  Standard dating from 1953.  

https://www.flickr.com/photos/152343870@N07/40357066271/in/album-72157714061077963/

Locomotives & Rolling Stock of CIE & NIR (1979) notes that 1904 is fitted with storage heaters and in use on the Ballina Branch.

The 1970s Brake Standards & Brake 1st were converted from Laminate Suburban coaches (one survives in use with the RPSI) and 1951-1953 stock and differ significantly in appearance.

Silver Fox produce a rtr model for the 1953 Brake Standard http://silverfoxmodels.co.uk/ir-ie-open-brake-3rd-coach/ (some lost their guards look outs), I produced a set of side overlays complete with lookouts to fit a Dapol Stanier Coach & Worsley Works produce a set of brass parts (sides, ends underframe) as a scratchbuilders aid to build a 1909-1913 Laminate Brake

 

The Dapol overlays are a compromise in terms of length, width and end profile, but less of an undertaking than scratchbuilding or building a coach with the assistance of the Worsley Works parts.

[BSGSV]

2509 was tried on the branch late in 1960, but it went back to its regular duties on Limerick-Nenagh locals, and the branch stayed steam, usually with a Midland J18/J19.

Most branches had at least bogie coach in the local set by the mid-50's. In June 1962 found 583 (the regular loco) with coach 2111.

As Mayner says above, from 4 Feb. 1963, services were increased from 2 to 4 each way per day. Steam 583 was replaced by a G611 class loco and coach 1910. 1910 had storage heaters in place of three pairs of seats, plugged into the mains at Loughrea at night. The former non-smoking area was made a first class area by putting antimacassars on the existing seats (!) to give 6 first and 26 second class seats. This seating arrangement only seems to have lasted about a year, and the second class area seems to have had "bus" seats fitted, to bring the total capacity to 53. I'd guess the "bus" seats were the same as used in Dublin Suburban railcars. A late 1964 note says that resurgance of traffic required retention of the summer formation - a "C" class with two bogie coaches. How long this lasted I don't know as by late 1965 a traveller to the branch noted G613 and 1910. 1910 was still there in March 1968, as C226 filled in for an unwell G613 with 1910. "G" class seem to have had an "on-off" relationship from about 1970, with them not being used by May 1970, back again by August 1971, but appearances by substitute "B141/B181" and "B201" don't seem to have been uncommon. Jonathan Allen tooks photos of G616 as late as May 1975 working the branch, but with 1904 by that stage. As Mayner says, when 1910 retired is not clear, or how.