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  1. Glover

    Glover's workbench

    One further question relates to the toilet window. I think there may have been three versions of this, at different times. One as modelled ( a solid pane of whitened glass). Another , just visible in the corner of one photo I've seen, shows an opening pane at the top while a third variant was a metal panel with just a sliding vent window at the top. Anyone sitting on a lifetimes research on CIE toilet windows that they would like to share with us......... While talking about windows generally, I should point out one mistake I made. The SE Finecast replacement flush glazing have the sliding top lights embossed. I painted these black, without thinking, but they should of course be the same colour as the body. While in confessional mode, I have to admit that the roof is not a success. I followed Geoff Kents method in MRJ #228 but it has not come out anything like the real thing. I might give it another go: there is a guy over on RMweb (trading under the name Gobbler) who is building them almost as per the prototype ie 'planks' of plastic running the full length of the coach. We'll see.
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    Glover's workbench

    The interior is scratch built but it does raise a question which someone may be able to answer: was there a side corridor running past the luggage/guards section? I have a vague memory of such, from the days when we would walk from one end of the train to the other, to count the number of coaches. I also remember those odd compartment coaches, built in the early/mid 1950s ,which had the toilets in the centre of the coach with the side corridor running on opposite sides from the toilets to the end of the coach ( I know what I mean anyway.....). i have modelled it as shown below. Note that the seats are finished in a sort of maroon colour. An Irish Railfans News from the early 1960s said that maroon upholstery was the CIE standard colour for second/standard class and green for 1st class. This info was culled from the time when the RPSI had a full set of this journal on its website; hopefully this will be restored sometime. Glover
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    No sign of the missing post, so here goes, again. A characteristic feature of these earlier CIE coaches was the rivets joining the metal panels on the side. I have represented these using tiny slivers of corrugated plastic (bought years ago, no idea where). I also formed window frames using thin Evergreen strips, #110 , representing the rivets by rolling a small screwdriver with a serrated handle over the plastic. Same technique used to form the prominent roof strapping. Together with SE Finecast flush glazing ( and painting the window reveals brown), I think these changes really do transform the old Hornby moulding. Glover
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    I did write a further note but it appears to have gone up in smoke! Just in case it reappears, this note talks about two features at the ends of the coach: buffers and corridor connectors. The latter are made as per Geoff Kents article in the Model Railway Journal issue number 228. Essentially strips of black paper formed into a corrugated pattern are sandwiched between two shaped pieces of plastic. I used Indian Ink to colour the paper. They are somewhat fiddly to make but in truth are easier than the more usual method of interlocked card. The buffers are a bit of a cheat. They are BR heavy duty wagon buffers (from MJT) with paper buffer faces, cut out using a normal office paper punch. To my eyes, CIE coach buffers were characterised by a fat body and a large head (apologies to those who might fit that description!) but I'm not aware of any similar buffers available on the UK or Irish market. Glover
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    The third of the planned five or six brake/passenger coaches for service through Pettigo on the Bundoran branch is now finished. It represents one of the brake/standard's built at Inchicore in 1953 and numbered 1904-1908. The old Hornby LMS Stanier coach has been used by many modellers to represent earlier CIE coaches but, in my view, it needs to be lengthened to the CIE standard 61'6", widened and with a different roof profile. In short, only the sides of the original Hornby model are actually used, everything else being scratch built. The body profile is a fair match for these earlier CIE coaches which were almost vericle in profile with just a lower turn under. I know that Mayner offered these as part of his JM Designs range but I think these were intended to fit a Dapol coach and were thus a little short in length and perhaps not quite as tall as the prototype's. In order to add some height to the sides, I filed off the representation of the gutters on the Hornby model and thus increased the space between the window tops and the point where the roof joins. Anyway, hear is a snap to get us going; I'll follow up with some specific notes which may be of help to others. Cheers, Glover This conversion requires two Hornby coaches; I used a composite and a brake/third. I also cut Windows into the guards van doors. The attached photo shows the basic cuts required. As with the previous GNR coaches, I constructed a basic jig, from cardboard, in order to ensure both sides were the same length. Glover
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    New Irish Lines

    Posted off my renewal sub on Friday. Publication dates (2 issues per annum) are a bit 'flexible' but it does build up to a useful resource over time. Glover
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    I have painted the coach in CIE green on one side and black & tan on the other. Given that the layout is set in 1963, this I think is reasonable. I have also given it a different number on each side and attempted to replicate the CIE practice of placing a small 'c' in front of the original GNR number; CIE did not renumber GNR stock. I have now started work on a CIE brake/standard but don't wait up: it will be some time before the dust settles on that project. Glover And, as a good night from me, here are the two sisters together.
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    Glover's workbench

    Thank you David for your kind comment. I did mention that I had a lot of spare parts left over from the UTA model...... Now, the GNR built 3 of these coaches. On the break up of the GNR, one went to the UTA while the others went to CIE. Both lasted to about 1970. It might be the sign of advancing madness but I deciĆ°ed to build another one. One improvement I made over the UTA coach was to build up the lower part of the door windows while extending the top, which does I think help to give it a more GNR appearance: see photo. Glover
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    A Railway Evolves

    John, I like the idea of what I would term a 'meandering' layout; well suited to the Sligo-Limerick, especially the northern end, the Burma Road. Can I suggest that stone walls are an absolute must! Glover
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    Now, before JHB jumps up and down, I do know that the yellow stripe should be a more beige type colour but I offer two excuses: 1. I have a few other UTA coaches, so for consistency I have stuck with yellow. 2. Colour photos from the UTA era 'appear' to show the stripe as being yellow. That may very well be a reflection of the quality of colour photography of that time. i have numbered it as 259. The correct number should be 258 but I simply didn't have the correct numeral. Can anyone recommend a source for UTA coach numerals? I have to say that I find the UTA green livery rather dull ( no offence to fans of the UTA.......) in 4mm scale. As a Dubliner, my exposure to the UTA was rather limited and I accept that it may have been more impressive in reality. You might ask if it would not have been better to make the damm thing from scratch . It's a moot point but using the Hornby sides does avoid having to make windows with sliding vents. Anyway, I now have a GNR J11 tricompo to run in one of the Bundoran Express's and an awful lot of spare parts...... Glover
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    Thanks Noel. I had to take a break there, to help get the bit of tea ready. After all of the cutting, making the ends, the under frame ( the bogies are Bachmann LMS) , the interior etc,etc , I finally ended up with this.......
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    I reckon there were about 14 major ( and more minor) cuts and rejoins required for each side. The major challenge is creating those small windows either side of the doors in the 3rd class section; painful. In fact actual blood was spilled; I should have taken a photo of that moment but it's hard to think of that when you're bleeding to death from a scalpel cut! Also meant that I had to add 'wipe blood from body side' to my own notes. For those of a strong constitution, here are some shots from the front line. Glover.
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    Glover's workbench

    I am eternally grateful to those photographers in times past who paid as much attention to what came behind the engine and took careful notes. We should also thank the modern day publishers. In the case of the late Norman Johnson, they were in effect one and the same; Norman set up Colourpoint books, who have given us a range of books on Irish railways. In Normans' posthumous title, "Parting Shot", he published three photos of a GNR J11 tricompo, in service with the UTA in 1970. The GNR built three of these coaches in the late 1930s, primarily for service on the Derry Road. Incidently, lest anyone think I am some sort of walking expert on these matters, I have to point out that all me learnin' comes from books. The coaches were essentially in three parts: the guards'/luggage van, compartments, with a WC, for 1st and 2nd class and an open section for 3rd class. As I looked at the photos, it occurred to me that the third class open section was essentially a partial K15 coach. The K15 was the standard GNR coach; they built about 35 of them. And, I had a drawing of a K15, plus the information gleaned, I think, from Denis Coakham's book on Irish carriages that the van section was ten foot in length. Take these two basic bits of information plus the knowledge that the coaches were built to the standard GNR length of fifty eight feet, then I felt that I had a sporting chance of producing something from the Hornby coaches which might bear some resemblance to the originals. I was not being over ambitious ! Glover I'm writing this in sections (or dragging it out if you prefer!) simply to allow me to keep score. First thing I did was construct a jig for the body sides; just like those lads in Model Railway Journal! Mine was made from cardboard rather than some rare metal. It is necessary; there is a LOT of cutting and shutting involved in this project. Next comes the carnage...... Glover
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    Given that my layout, Pettigo, is set in GNR territory, I felt that ex-GNR coaches should feature heavily . This is more or less a given with the UTA coaches but the CIE trains were more likely to be a mix of Northern and CIE types. Many years ago, the guy working in the model shop in the Grafton Street arcade ( which was I believe the successor to the old Southern Models shop in a basement on Leeson St and which I think evolved over time to become the Marks Models of today), mentioned that the old Triangle/Hornby LNER Thompson coaches would make a fair representation of GNR coaches, given that they were issued in a wood grain livery. It was not an idea which appealed to me at the time and I certainly had doubts about the oval toilet windows. However, time passes..... For our younger readers, here is where we start. Glover
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    Glover's workbench

    A little while ago, I decided that I needed to formulate a plan for coach building. To that end, I identified a need for six brake/passenger coaches: - 2X CIE for the Up and Down Bundoran Expresses - 2X UTA ( my model of Pettigo, Co Donegal assumes that the Bundoran branch, and the old Irish North Western, lasted until the summer of 1963 and that the practice of adding a coach, at Clones, which had come down from Belfast via Portadown and Armagh) continued. - 1X CIE for the branch train - 1X UTA for a local to Enniskillen. So, six in total. Current stock is four. In the photos below are two in CIE livery, the green one being the old Airfix LMS coach ( nice moulding but not really suitable) while the coach in black 'n tan is a very old Hornby Dublo model. I remember buying this in Helys on Dame Street in the early 1960s. Helys were stationaries and office suppliers but also had a toy department. I noticed recently that the Mercantile pub, who now occupy the ground floor, have opened a branch-bar next door, named Helys. When I mentioned this recently to a fellow Dub, he understood the reference immediately ! The UTA coaches are an old Graham Farish non-corridor coach which I bought from Colum Flanagan some time ago while the other is the Bachmann LMS wood panelled coach. The latter could be accepted, as the GNR did buy some old coaches from the LMS but the Graham Farish coach would probably be more suited to an NCC based layout. Anyway, net result is 6 required but only one to hand which might be suitable. More to come..... Glover

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