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  1. New Irish Lines

    Posted off my renewal sub on Friday. Publication dates (2 issues per annum) are a bit 'flexible' but it does build up to a useful resource over time. Glover
  2. Glover's workbench

    I have painted the coach in CIE green on one side and black & tan on the other. Given that the layout is set in 1963, this I think is reasonable. I have also given it a different number on each side and attempted to replicate the CIE practice of placing a small 'c' in front of the original GNR number; CIE did not renumber GNR stock. I have now started work on a CIE brake/standard but don't wait up: it will be some time before the dust settles on that project. Glover And, as a good night from me, here are the two sisters together.
  3. Glover's workbench

    Thank you David for your kind comment. I did mention that I had a lot of spare parts left over from the UTA model...... Now, the GNR built 3 of these coaches. On the break up of the GNR, one went to the UTA while the others went to CIE. Both lasted to about 1970. It might be the sign of advancing madness but I deciĆ°ed to build another one. One improvement I made over the UTA coach was to build up the lower part of the door windows while extending the top, which does I think help to give it a more GNR appearance: see photo. Glover
  4. A Railway Evolves

    John, I like the idea of what I would term a 'meandering' layout; well suited to the Sligo-Limerick, especially the northern end, the Burma Road. Can I suggest that stone walls are an absolute must! Glover
  5. Glover's workbench

    Now, before JHB jumps up and down, I do know that the yellow stripe should be a more beige type colour but I offer two excuses: 1. I have a few other UTA coaches, so for consistency I have stuck with yellow. 2. Colour photos from the UTA era 'appear' to show the stripe as being yellow. That may very well be a reflection of the quality of colour photography of that time. i have numbered it as 259. The correct number should be 258 but I simply didn't have the correct numeral. Can anyone recommend a source for UTA coach numerals? I have to say that I find the UTA green livery rather dull ( no offence to fans of the UTA.......) in 4mm scale. As a Dubliner, my exposure to the UTA was rather limited and I accept that it may have been more impressive in reality. You might ask if it would not have been better to make the damm thing from scratch . It's a moot point but using the Hornby sides does avoid having to make windows with sliding vents. Anyway, I now have a GNR J11 tricompo to run in one of the Bundoran Express's and an awful lot of spare parts...... Glover
  6. Glover's workbench

    Thanks Noel. I had to take a break there, to help get the bit of tea ready. After all of the cutting, making the ends, the under frame ( the bogies are Bachmann LMS) , the interior etc,etc , I finally ended up with this.......
  7. Glover's workbench

    I reckon there were about 14 major ( and more minor) cuts and rejoins required for each side. The major challenge is creating those small windows either side of the doors in the 3rd class section; painful. In fact actual blood was spilled; I should have taken a photo of that moment but it's hard to think of that when you're bleeding to death from a scalpel cut! Also meant that I had to add 'wipe blood from body side' to my own notes. For those of a strong constitution, here are some shots from the front line. Glover.
  8. Glover's workbench

    I am eternally grateful to those photographers in times past who paid as much attention to what came behind the engine and took careful notes. We should also thank the modern day publishers. In the case of the late Norman Johnson, they were in effect one and the same; Norman set up Colourpoint books, who have given us a range of books on Irish railways. In Normans' posthumous title, "Parting Shot", he published three photos of a GNR J11 tricompo, in service with the UTA in 1970. The GNR built three of these coaches in the late 1930s, primarily for service on the Derry Road. Incidently, lest anyone think I am some sort of walking expert on these matters, I have to point out that all me learnin' comes from books. The coaches were essentially in three parts: the guards'/luggage van, compartments, with a WC, for 1st and 2nd class and an open section for 3rd class. As I looked at the photos, it occurred to me that the third class open section was essentially a partial K15 coach. The K15 was the standard GNR coach; they built about 35 of them. And, I had a drawing of a K15, plus the information gleaned, I think, from Denis Coakham's book on Irish carriages that the van section was ten foot in length. Take these two basic bits of information plus the knowledge that the coaches were built to the standard GNR length of fifty eight feet, then I felt that I had a sporting chance of producing something from the Hornby coaches which might bear some resemblance to the originals. I was not being over ambitious ! Glover I'm writing this in sections (or dragging it out if you prefer!) simply to allow me to keep score. First thing I did was construct a jig for the body sides; just like those lads in Model Railway Journal! Mine was made from cardboard rather than some rare metal. It is necessary; there is a LOT of cutting and shutting involved in this project. Next comes the carnage...... Glover
  9. Glover's workbench

    Given that my layout, Pettigo, is set in GNR territory, I felt that ex-GNR coaches should feature heavily . This is more or less a given with the UTA coaches but the CIE trains were more likely to be a mix of Northern and CIE types. Many years ago, the guy working in the model shop in the Grafton Street arcade ( which was I believe the successor to the old Southern Models shop in a basement on Leeson St and which I think evolved over time to become the Marks Models of today), mentioned that the old Triangle/Hornby LNER Thompson coaches would make a fair representation of GNR coaches, given that they were issued in a wood grain livery. It was not an idea which appealed to me at the time and I certainly had doubts about the oval toilet windows. However, time passes..... For our younger readers, here is where we start. Glover
  10. Glover's workbench

    A little while ago, I decided that I needed to formulate a plan for coach building. To that end, I identified a need for six brake/passenger coaches: - 2X CIE for the Up and Down Bundoran Expresses - 2X UTA ( my model of Pettigo, Co Donegal assumes that the Bundoran branch, and the old Irish North Western, lasted until the summer of 1963 and that the practice of adding a coach, at Clones, which had come down from Belfast via Portadown and Armagh) continued. - 1X CIE for the branch train - 1X UTA for a local to Enniskillen. So, six in total. Current stock is four. In the photos below are two in CIE livery, the green one being the old Airfix LMS coach ( nice moulding but not really suitable) while the coach in black 'n tan is a very old Hornby Dublo model. I remember buying this in Helys on Dame Street in the early 1960s. Helys were stationaries and office suppliers but also had a toy department. I noticed recently that the Mercantile pub, who now occupy the ground floor, have opened a branch-bar next door, named Helys. When I mentioned this recently to a fellow Dub, he understood the reference immediately ! The UTA coaches are an old Graham Farish non-corridor coach which I bought from Colum Flanagan some time ago while the other is the Bachmann LMS wood panelled coach. The latter could be accepted, as the GNR did buy some old coaches from the LMS but the Graham Farish coach would probably be more suited to an NCC based layout. Anyway, net result is 6 required but only one to hand which might be suitable. More to come..... Glover
  11. Jhb, WH Smiths run the newsagents in Dublin Airport. I actually bought the February issue there two weeks ago; the article on the CDJR is an interesting take on the involvement of the Midland Railway. If you have no luck, PM me and I'll pass on my copy to you. Cheers, Glover
  12. Dugort Harbour

    The van shown in Mayners photo, sourced via Alan O'Rourke, is a heating van (HV), as also is the van in Irishswissernies' second photo, taken I think at Killarney. However, I am 99% certain that the van half hidden by B157 is a luggage van (LV). First time I've ever seen any indication that any of them ever received the green livery; thank you ! I might advance a theory why the HV's were more likely to be repainted: CIE operated a "heating season". HVs were stored during the summer months and thus were available for repainting whereas the LVs were in continuous use. Regards, Glover
  13. Dugort Harbour

    Jhb, a question: were the 4 wheel luggage vans ever painted green? I thought they were unpainted/silver originally and then went into black & tan. i think I've seen a photo of a heating van in green but never a LV. Good luck with the layout; I'm sort off reminded of Richard Chowns' Castle Rackrent. Cheers, Glover
  14. Thanks Garfield, I can now see how the CIE version is less complicated, more lightweight, as you say. Cheers, Glover
  15. I was vaguely aware that the Commonwealth bogies used by CIE were different but I have to say that I struggle to see the differences. Maybe I just don't want to! Westhy/Des, while on the subject of bogies, any plans to make the GNR 10' bogies, as used under K15 coaches etc ? Cheers, Glover

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