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  2. I managed to make it to the exhibition in Blackrock last October and bought 5 Provincial Wagons CIE cattle wagons. With these plus three GNR wagons plus some others, including a rework of the old Mainline LMS wagons, I can now assemble a ten wagon cattle special. I’m sure some of you know that Leslie McAlister of Provincial Wagons has named his home Pettigo Fair. Leslie, wagons will be delivered in time for the Fair! Others have done a better job than me on these lovely little wagons but I can only offer the excuse that my energy levels are, and have been somewhat depleted . One thing I am lucky with is reasonably generous curves; circa 27 inches. That has allowed me to close up the gap somewhat between wagons. Some photos to finish. Glover And maybe a few more snaps. Glover
  3. It’s been a long time, over a year, since I updated these notes. I don’t want to go all maudlin but it might just help others to deal with the issues which have affected me. At about this time last year, I was hit with health issues; esophageal cancer. Having been a smoker for almost fifty years, I can hardly complain or ask ‘why me?’ I received chemo and radiation treatment right through quarter 3 of last year and it was successful. But I accept that you never get a completely clean of health. In the past month, the cancer has returned and I’m now on palliative care. So, my model of Pettigo station on the Bundoran branch will close. I’ll do some separate notes on the last project undertaken but can I just take this opportunity to thank all who took an interest in my modelling. I’ve always been a ‘lone-wolf’ modeller but sharing the work with you other good people has enhanced my enjoyment of this great hobby. I would hope to listen in for just a little time yet and enjoy the work of others. My sincerest thanks to all, Glover
  4. Well done; enjoy! Glover
  5. It's published by Alan O'Rourke from Sheffield in England. It's very much a part time non-commercial operation, so 'no reply' might simply mean that he's busy/away/digging the garden..... Full details below in this photo from the current issue. Well worth subscribing too, in my view. Cheers, Glover
  6. Very good issue. David Holman's 'Fintonagh' layout on the front cover with a full article inside. Another layout is covered by photos, this being Kilkenny using 21mm track, modified it seems from Roco track. This layout was built by a German man. Clogher, on the Clogher Valley Railway is also featured. Ballyglunin (alias ' Castletown' in the Quiet Man movie) is the Station Survey, which also includes an insert with plans of the station building. The GSR loco drawings have now moved on from steam; this time they cover the Sentinel Railcar, two versions of the Clayton railcars, the Drewry passenger railcars (inspection saloons?) and the Turf Burner; can we not just let that contraption go?! There are also plans for Belfast & Northern Counties (later NCC and then UTA) goods vans. Colm Flanagan covers a conversion of a Bachmann J11 to Belfast & County Down loco No4 while Jonathan Beaumont details the use of grey by the GSR and later CIE on their steam locos. A couple of interesting photos: Magherafelt in or abouts on the old, and to me mysterious , Derry Central plus GSWR restaurant car number 343: very tempting to model! There are some other pieces plus some news items but overall, a very enjoyable and useful issue. Glover
  7. I've just found a reference to AEC railcars having tablet snatchers...........yea, can't sleep! Its in the November 1969 edition of the Irish Railfans News (really serious sleep problem tonight....). An article describes a Sligo to Dublin journey on August 5 1969, in a 3 piece AEC railcar set. To cut a long storey short, the train failed at Ballymote and was eventually rescued by B125 which pulled the railcar train to Dublin. Here's the relevant bit: after stopping at Mullingar, the guard joined the driver in the cab of B125, in order to operate the tablet snatcher. I quote:" ordinarily the guard would operate the staff snatchers located in the van of one or other of the railcars, using the bell system to communicate with the driver". This seems to support Mayners point about the system operating on the Dublin-Galway line ( issue only seems to have arisen after Mullingar) plus Mayner/Lambeg Mans' reports that the snatcher would only have been visible at the time of actual usage. Who needs bedtime stories? Glover
  8. I know this is diverting away from the 121 topic but it does relate to tablet snatchers. I believe that some AEC railcars used this equipment, especially on the Sligo road but I don't think I've ever seen a photo with them. Could they perhaps have been fitted around the guards van area? Glover
  9. "Rolled forty or fifty times in total". Merciful hour! No wonder there are marks on the rolling pin. I did buy one of these roofs some years ago with the intention of widening it, as per recommendations from various sources. Theory was; cut it down the middle and widen using filler. Yea, right........ I think the rolling pin might be the way forward. Cheers, Glover
  10. Many thanks Ernie, and Leslie. Leslie's information is correct, as I would expect. The GNR built three of this type; two went to CIE and the other to the UTA, on the dissolution of the GNR. And, I've built models of two of them! This is my model of 47N, in CIE green. It's painted in black 'n tan on the other side and numbered 105N. I note that, in Ernie's photo, there are sliding vents in the large window, next to the smaller one and door. My only photographic reference was of the UTA coach, in Norman Johnstons "Parting Shot" book. It may be that either CIE or the UTA made a change to the original but I don't think we can stress ourselves too much over that at this stage! Again, many thanks to all who are helping to preserve photographic records and memories of days long gone. Cheers, Glover
  11. NIR, I think you might be the first to use (or own up to!) a rolling pin in modelling! Serious question: did you just roll the centre section of the roof? It certainly seems to have achieved a good result. Cheers, Glover
  12. Marks Models also have them on their site but no price quoted. As I understand it, Hattons show a 'possible' price but it may not be realistic. Cheers, Glover
  13. Brilliant photos Ernie! And useful front end detail for modellers. I bought a copy of Railway World which covered this tour, detailing all of the challenges. (Cover photo below). I often wondered what the GNR coach was in the train; any info or photos? Cheers, Glover
  14. Thanks for that BSGSV. I too spotted our friend in the background. He appears to be wearing a duffle coat, which I gather was the height of fashion amount enthusiasts in those days; was there a rail tour to Limerick in 1969? This is perhaps getting (more than) a little off topic, so perhaps we should all go back to playing with our trains! Cheers, Glover
  15. Again, thanks to you Lambeg. I know I'm a bit like a dog with a bone on this photo of 786N but would anyone agree with me that the end MAY be painted tan? Does your memory stretch to that level of detail BSGSV? Woof!! Glover
  16. Top quality information there Lambeg; many thanks. Interesting that the 1934 builds were numbered in sequence as opposed to the normal GNR 'spin the wheel' approach to numbering. Glover
  17. I do agree with you JB re the roof profile but I'd still put my money on the Great Southern. As you say, they appear to have applied 'not invented here' to all other companies stock. Still, looking through Ernie Sheppards book has given me an idea....... Cheers, Glover
  18. I agree fully with your approach. If you want to model Irish railways in a particular time period and geographical area, it will require quite an amount of modifying, kit building and indeed scratch building. Therefore, it makes sense to establish just what rolling stock you need ( unless you plan to live to 250 or win the lottery!). I want to build a CIE branch train to run through Pettigo on the Bundoran branch ( imagining that it lasted to 1963 as a joint CIE/UTA operation). To that end, I've looked at as many photos as possible but as you know, there weren't very many branches left by then. However, I did come across a couple of interesting photos on Roger Joanes Flickr taken at Birr in September 1960. You in fact showed an extract from the WTT, for 1959 I think, on your thread. The basic service appears to have been 2 up and 2 down mixed trains per day. In the photos, the loco is C class MetroVick number C233, in green livery. My interest was in the two coach passenger element of the mixed train: what looks like a GSWR/GSR non-corridor coach and what I'm 99% certain is an ex GNR J11 tri-compo brake! I've built two of those yokes! Therefore, with a previous conversion of the old Hornby GWR clearstorey, I have my CIE branch train. Glover
  19. Hi JHB, Looks like I'm not the only one who spends an unhealthy amount of time squinting into the murky background of old photos! However, I'm not in agreement on your calling that coach as DSER. Shepard & Beesley's book on the line says only two DSER coaches survived past 1960 and they were both specialised ; one a tea car and the other a restaurant coach. Thar GN 'P' van in black 'n tan livery has gone onto my 'must-do' list ! Cheers, Glover
  20. I'm only catching up on this particular thread now. Broithe has shown some very interesting photos, via eBay . Former GNR P1 bogie luggage van, 786N, at Limerick in 1969 in black 'n tan livery!! Whoever knew that? Coakhams 'Irish broad gauge carriages' says the GNR built three of these vans in 1930 and a further 10, with steel frame bodies in 1944. The horse box number 142, also photographed at Limerick in 1969 is also interesting. Is it my imagination or is this not longer than the standard GSR/CIE vans? It looks to my eyes closer to the GWR/BR vehicles, as modelled by Hornby and previously, Lima. Coach number 845 is also interesting. Almost certainly a GSWR/GSR non-corridor 3rd. Photo was taken at Amiens Street ( Connolly for younger readers) in 1968. I wonder was it renumbered into the 4001-4053 series in 1969. I note that it is coupled to coach number 2109, a GSR suburban compo, dating from 1928. Was this the clattery collection of carriages which CIE put together for Dublin suburban services in the late 60s/early 70s? Although including a corrugated open wagon, as in the photo, might have pushed public tolerance just a little bit too far.... Cheers, Glover
  21. Stephen, I actually did that Mainline conversion some years ago. Essentially, cut out the centre door and fit new flat ends. However, my conversion ends up at 238mm long; should be 246 mil. It's difficult to see where to add the extra 8 mil. It's also short on the top to bottom of the bodyside; I reckon it should be 26mm but the Mainline coach is 24.5mm. All of this, and more, is on the space between the bottom of the window and the bottom of the body. Again, my reckoning is that this should be 11.5mm whereas the Mainline coach is 9mm. Window depth is 12.5mm ; should be 13mm. So, not much in this. I have a feeling that the Mainline coach was actually 'out' even in terms of a BR Mk1; it's almost as though it was made to a fractually less than 4mm scale. I've kept it in my 'must try to do something about it' box but to be honest, it would probably be better to view it as a source of spares. Cheers, Glover
  22. Plan B was to make use of something that was otherwise of no use to me: a BR Mk1, distributed with the Hachette partwork on model railways some years ago. The idea was simple: shorten it (eliminating the centre door) and attach a new 'skin' of 15thou plastic. To achieve the greater height of the CIE coach and to replicate the flat upper body profile, I attached a strip of plastic to the top of the body, standing slightly proud of the Hachette body. However, I couldn't separate the glazing from the body side which I suspected was going to create a significant problem in repainting the sliding vents, without getting paint on the glazing. So, another set of 'useful' bits put aside but I did use the basic chassis and bogies. And that's how I came to scratchbuild 1356....... I know, that's where I should have started rather than messing around with what looked like short cuts! Cheers, Glover
  23. I mentioned at the outset that this build was not straightforward. The original objective was to create one of those distinctive 1951 to 1954 coaches with a door and WCs in the centre. The strategy was to improve something I had built a good many years ago, using the Hornby LMS Stanier coach. This was based on a rather clever conversion detailed in an issue of New Irish Lines (which I now can't find and therefore cannot credit the author). Essentially, you cut the Hornby coach in half, glue one of the ends to the middle and add a new door at the end. As I say, clever. However, I discovered it was rather short in overall length and therefore decided Plan B might be the way to go........ Note this photo was taken just as I was about to take the whole thing apart; I have no idea why I painted the roof in that light grey! Still, I think the idea has merit and mY return to it at some stage. Glover
  24. I have numbered my coach as 1356; one of the 16 open standards built in 1953. It's all scratchbuilt from various thickness's of plastic, largely following the methods set out by Geoff Kent in his series on coach building in the Model Railway Journal some years ago. Even if I say so myself, the roofs are getting better but still far from perfect. The bogies are from the BR Mk1 coach distributed some years ago with the Hachette partwork on model railways. I attempted to make the bogies a bit more like the GSR bogie which was fitted to these coaches originally; I think some at least might have been given Commonwealth bogies later in their life. This photo is for all the little boys..........it is quite possible that this length of Hornby-Dublo 3 rail track was manufactured at Binns Road Liverpool in or about the same time as the prototype of this coach was built!
  25. I note in the Irish Models section of this forum, JHB has contributed a very useful listing of all of the main types of rolling stock built for/by CIE and the UTA ( and their successors). These notes should add further detail on those CIE coaches built between 1951 and 1956. Thereafter, CIE built what are usually referred to as Laminates, which had quite a different side profile, ran on Commonwealth bogies and many (most?) were built on Bullieds triangulated underframe. I transcribed these notes about 30 years ago but didn't record the source; silly boy! They do however appear to correspond with photographic evidence. Builds by year: 1951: 6X compos (2124-2129) 60' underframe. Compartments 12X standards (1339-1350) 61'6" underframe. Compartments 1952: 7X compos (2130-2136) ? Underframe. Compartments 5X standards (1351-1355) 61'6" underframe. Compartments. Built at GNR Works, Dundalk. 1953: 16X standards (1356-1371) 61'6" undeframe. Open 5X brake/standards (1904-1908) 61'6" underframe. Open 1954: 25X compos (2137-2161) "similar to 2130 series" . Compartments 7X standards (1372-1378) " similar to 1339 series". Compartments 1953/54: 14X buffet cars (2405-2418) 61'6" underframe 1956: 4X buffet cars (2419-2422) 61'6" underframe The notes didn't mention the underframe length for the 2130 series but I think we can assume 61'6". It's also worth noting the preponderance of compartment stock; I think I'm right in saying that all coaches after these were open layout. I wonder were the 1351 series the last coaches built at Dundalk? Glover
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