GSWR 90

Don’t suppose anyone has a list of the letters in English and seanchló/Irish used by the GSR on its running in boards, or know the name of a similar font?

Very well done to IÉ and the IRRS for making this possible. I’m very tempted to go on the IRRS railtour, but I can’t afford a hotel in Cork! Táilte Tours put up a great article about the 2600s a few weeks ago – you can read it here

Well, 90 was running railtours on the mainline not so long ago…

Unfortunately I was unable to go due to a personal commitment and my replacement had to pull out at the last minute due to a medical emergency, so we were unable to attend. Hopefully the run-up to the next model show won't be so unlucky!

If they do release an 80 class, and if they do a DCDR version, I hope it’ll be 69+749 rather than 90+752. It’d be hard to get the graffiti on 90 and the rust on 752 exactly right.

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We have a table booked. We’ve been to a few model shows before accepting donations and selling stock from our shop

Can we get back on topic please?

It’s useless to us and it originally worked in Britain for BR, so I’m not going to lose any sleep over it.

The railbus isn’t on loan from the UFTM, it’s owned by DCDR. Someone had the not-so-bright idea of bringing it to Downpatrick in 2001 for regular shuttle services, without understanding that there was a reason why it wasn’t put into mass production. We now have the 80 and the 450 for such services anyway, which are more historically important, are wheelchair-accessible, have a much larger seating capacity, and are easier to use. As mentioned in one of our members’ newsletters last year, DCDR agreed to transfer it to a relatively new project, the Gwendraeth Valley Railway in Wales. As there are a lot of moving parts involved in setting up a railway, it’ll likely be a while before it moves to Wales.

I will try and summarise my own thoughts on some of the questions/comments above: Is €3mn the final estimate? As Horsetan mentioned above, people will continuously find bits and pieces to add to the bill, but €3mn seems to be the ballpark so far according to an independent assessor + our own calculations. I think it's important to emphasise that it's not a case of DCDR never running again unless we get the entire €3mn – we'd have raided Moyasta by now if things were that bad! How are you able to boost your income in the meantime? Like I mentioned before, we offered a non-railway related alternative for our Christmas passengers, but while we wait for insurance/government funding if either ever materialise) our main source of income is through donations. We've had a quiz night a few weeks ago and we're having a fundraiser at the Strand Cinema in Belfast on the 24th of February. We'd love to organise more events but we need more people + resources, we are a bit overstretched at the moment. A few people have even very kindly donated some models for us to auction online, and I have organised some new merchandise which we will hopefully () be able to sell online at some point. Is the ground currently waterlogged? No more than usual for this time of year. Will the flooding happen again? It is possible, but there are a few of things to bear in mind: A flood like this has not happened in Downpatrick in approx. 70 years, and it was the wettest November in County Down c.100 years. The Department for Infrastructure is currently assessing flood mitigation measures. Parts of it were blocked with so much sediment that its discharge was reduced to less than 50% during the flood. Yes, 'freak' weather events are becoming more frequent, but this will massively help drainage in the future. We know what to do if there's a flood risk – a while after the floodwaters subsided they started to rise again while the water table was still high, so we moved the locos/railcars up to the end of the yard where the water didn't go above rail level. A person also very kindly took drone footage of the line during the flood, so we know where we can store other items of rolling stock out the line during a flood if necessary. We know that the water will go no higher than platform height before it drains off into Market Street – so it won't get inside any of our carriages or locos bodies. We are now storing a lot more stuff on shelves, and we'll be particularly careful when storing things during the winter. Should DCDR invest in flood defences? There don't seem to be many viable flood defence options where we are apart from enhanced river maintenance (i.e. removing potential blockages more frequently). In addition, flood defences are extremely expensive – we’d be spending tens on thousands on assessments and consultations to be told either that we can spend millions on flood defences or that we don’t have any suitable options. If we spent all our money on that, we wouldn't have enough left to run trains. Can you sell rolling stock to a UK line? Anything we'd want to sell is stuff that we don't want because there's something wrong with it – it would be difficult to sell even if there wasn't the gauge problem. It would be very hard to even give stuff away. Can you sell rolling stock to a collector? Same as above. Also, there aren’t really any collectors of 5’3” rolling stock. Can you sell rolling stock for scrap? At the very most we'd get a few thousand euro per vehicle – that's a drop in the ocean, and will not fix any of our problems. There needs to be a very good reason to get rid of something which is historically valuable or will be useful to us eventually, even if that's in the very long term. Is there a risk that we end up saving nothing? No, the railway doesn't have €3mn to hand but it's not insolvent. We will not go under if this sum of money doesn't materialise, but the less funding we have the more difficult things will be and the longer the recovery will take. The A class, B class, G class, and the 450 are all under repair and are currently operational at least to some extent.

A brief update to fill you in over what has been going on at Downpatrick over the past while: We have added up the total cost of the flood damage with the help of assessors/insurance adjusters: including locos, machinery, infrastructure, etc. we will be out of pocket up to approx. £2,500,000 (€3,000,000) – no, that is not a typo! We have not received anything from the government's assistance scheme. The requirements for the next round of funding applications are grim reading – I would bet money that we will not receive a single penny. Cleanup is well underway, as far as I have seen the sheds are generally cleared now but the floors will likely need to be professionally cleaned. It's sad to see tens of thousands of pounds of equipment being simply chucked into a skip in a matter of seconds. We're at the point where we're gathering up wooden sleepers/debris which have floated around the yard. Passengers who had booked tickets on our Santa trains had the option of either receiving a refund or attending an alternative Christmas event that we organised in the nearby Down County Museum, who went to great lengths to very kindly host us. Although the vast majority of passengers did opt for a refund, the static event slightly softened the financial blow of losing our Christmas + diesel gala revenue. I don't think it would be an understatement to say that this is one of the greatest crises ever faced by railway preservation on this island. You can donate to our recovery appeal here – many people have been extremely generous, for which we are extremely grateful, but we'll need a lot more support if we're going to be restoring and running trains in the future.

It is with great pleasure that I inform you all that No 90 was not swept away from the floods. Her boiler cladding came in handy for insulating the diesel locos’ traction motors when they were being dried out. It will be a while before we start working on her again but at least she’s safe. Most of the parts taken off her so far were stored in/on G613 so they are safe as well.

Anyway, the point I was making re the Cabinet was that the current NI Secretary of State is not very popular in Downpatrick. Several weeks ago, he was to attend a meeting of people impacted by the flood to announce details of the recovery fund and to answer questions from business owners etc. While they were waiting for him, the SoS briefly met with our MP to tell him that the recovery fund was going to be roughly half of what was originally expected, then the SoS bravely left through the back door and flew back to Britain without speaking to any of the retailers! Our MP was not pleased with having to announce these details to an angry crowd on his own while being unable to do anything about it.

Interesting, thank you! I knew there was going to be some caveat to my original post

Good point. Would therefore be a stretch to say that we’ve ever had an MP in the cabinet, and I doubt that will change any time soon to allow us better access to relief money. As one of my colleagues said, Mo Mowlam would have been down in Downpatrick in her wellies!

Yes, I’d say we’ll keep the locos etc up the yard for a while. No major flooding in 40 years then twice in two months demonstrates that we should be on our toes for at least the next few weeks. We are considering several options to minimise the impact of future flooding, all of which are very expensive – we will look into them more when things have settled down. Although a lot of people have been extremely generous, for which we are all extremely grateful, last time I checked the total value of donations is about 1% of the estimated total cost of the damage – so recouping the cost of repairs alone will be extraordinarily difficult, never mind paying for flood mitigation measures. Although we can apply for grants, grant applications are very arduous, time-consuming processes that have a relatively small chance of success and only apply to subjects within narrow parameters, often things like accessibility and environmental sustainability which won’t be of much help to us at the moment. On top of this, as I’ve said before, the NI Secretary of State is in charge of the government financial relief (which has been taken from other NI departments) which we have not been eligible for to date – as far as I’m aware there has not been a Northern Irish MP in the British Cabinet since Edward Carson, so I don’t think we’ll be able to do anything about that any time soon. We are a lot lower down than the rest of the town and we’re in the River Quoile’s very wide flood plane so flood barriers etc don’t seem to be an option. A lot of people have been calling for the Quoile to be dredged (during the flood some areas were blocked up with debris to such an extent that the discharge was less than half of what it should be), but the Department for Infrastructure said that that would have a negligible impact on flood risk. It’s worth mentioning that the river was last dredged in the 1990s and major flooding has only occurred 30 years later after it has been significantly silted up. I understand that flooding is a very complex and multi-faceted issue, but personally I remain unconvinced of the ineffectiveness of dredging, particularly since there has been no explanation or elaboration on this stance. Unfortunately since there’s no Stormont, there’s no infrastructure minister to give a detailed explanation on this, and there are no MLAs to hold the DfI to account. Making the shed doors watertight won’t be of much help since water seeps up through the inspection pits in the Maghera Shed and the Workshop (I don’t know how to make these watertight but I assume it’s not cheap), the former of which has big wooden sliding doors which would need to be completely replaced. The sandbags were only put around the Gallery as a last resort – they won’t be effective against a significant flood but they can be helpful, eg during the first flood I put sandbags in front of a shop on Market Street which just caught the edge of the flood, if the water level had risen much higher then the place would have been underwater but the bags did prevent it from seeping through the door. Re Ballynoe, a lot of infrastructure, land acquisition + a bridge over the main road needed to have a base there, I imagine too much money and work for at least the medium term. I am not sure about a railtour as we have our hands full at the moment, I’m going to pass the buck on to Táilte Tours on that issue! In spite of all this, plus the usual sectarian trolling that businesses in Downpatrick and Newry have received, we’re all blown away with the financial and moral support that you’ve all been giving us. Several railways in Britain have provided us with vital advice and logistical support on dealing with flood-damaged locos as well. Hopefully we’ll have a nice event to celebrate our recovery at some point in the future.

Packing sandbags around the Carriage Gallery. Spitting in the wind maybe but better than nothing. Most of the stuff in the new loco shed has been moved off the floor

G, B, 80s, bruff + dumper are being moved up the yard to minimise risk of flood damage

Water is rising again. Like I said before ground is saturated from extremely heavy rain over the last two months. Please keep us in your thoughts tonight!

For better or worse, G617 seems to largely be working again. It's diesel hydraulic with a chain final drive, so no traction motors to dry out unlike the A/B/C/railcars, so main problems were axleboxes + an electrical fault.

Also worth mentioning that the UK government has already given £1,700,000 to affected businesses to date, out of the total of £15,000,000 allocated for flood relief by the Northern Ireland Secretary – of that £1,700,000, we have received a whopping £0.00. For context, the estimated total of the damage caused by the flooding throughout Northern Ireland is about £30,000,000 (and I assume that's not including the particularly high cost of the damage to DCDR as they didn't consult us on this). Unfortunately nothing anyone in Northern Ireland can do about it as we don't have an Assembly at the moment.

The cost of the damage is racking up well into the hundreds (and hundreds) of thousands of pounds, with the pile of destroyed machinery in the workshop getting higher and higher. Everything from extremely expensive lasers for the new tamper to much of the fencing around the station, as well as essential equipment for maintaining the permanent way, are badly damaged/beyond repair. And on top of that, diesel locos/bridges etc. need to be professionally inspected, which in itself will cost many thousands of pounds in addition to any repairs that need to be carried out. Will we hit the magic million? Stay tuned to find out! On the plus side, the 450 missed a lot of the floodwater due to its position in the yard, and after a massive amount of work to replace the grease in all the axleboxes + electricy things, it now appears to mostly be working again.

According to the website’s admin it went offline as their card expired. Should be back online over the next few days

Underneath power car 90