Mayner

One might have been are the Blue Pullman trains.

CIE are supposed to have seriously considered buying and re-gauging the Blue Pullmans during the late 60s/early 70s. 

16 hours ago, leslie10646 said:

This is one for JHB, or Mayner.

Anything remotely like this in Ireland?

With their name, I assume that they were for moving TANKS?

Not aware of any such vehicles finding their way here, even during the Emergency as you Southern guys delightfully refer to the apocalypse that was WW2. I wonder what the Irish word for Aramgeddon is .... (I bet Dave knows).

Back to the topic. Good luck with the Hatton lines, boys.

Nothing similar to a Warwell that I know of.

CIE had 2 Transformer Trucks 23700 built Krupps 1930-57'9" long 50T capacity, 23701 built CIE 1951-72' long 80T capacity both used by the p.w. department from the early 70s.

I saw a 12w bogie well wagon similar to Hornby/Triang R242  at Inchacore at some stage during the 70s-80s https://modeltrainmarket.com/products/oo-scale-hornby-r-242-br-british-railways-trestrol-wagon-b901600-w-girder-load  possibly 23701.

No need for the Irish to worry about the Aramgeddon, apparently there  is something in the prophecies of St Patrick about Ireland sinking beneath the waves (and the) before the big day.

Garden railway modellers tend to he a hardy lot seldom let a little snow or rail stop them

177 miles non-stop in a 2600 seems more like penance than pleasure.

What are the Cork enthusiasts atoning for?

The not so successful:

Ireland 21mm gauge early-mid 1980s

Although a suitable space was available in the attic, I never got around to re-erecting the Duncormic end to end N gauge layout following a house move in the early 80s. I first considered an N scale layout featuring Athenry and Tuam stations before settling on a 4mm 21mm gauge model of Ballymoe on the Mayo Line.

The N gauge layout never got fleshed out beyond the main stations and possibly got bogged down on the challenge of fitting in the staging trackage for two main lines a problem I solved 20 years later when I placed the staging immediately behind the main yard on the Binghampton N scale layout.

The move to 4mm 21mm gauge was inspired by Tim Cramer’s “Irish Miscellany” series of articles (with drawings) and Iain Rice’s series of modelling articles in “Model Railways” magazine during the late 70s early 80s. I stumbled across the remains of Ballymoe station while on drive-about on summer holidays of 84-85 and started work on the layout after Herbert Richards supplied a photo survey dating from the early 70s when the station was largely intact and still in use as a block post and regular crossing place.

While attempts to motorize my first 21mm gauge loco Achill Bogie with plasticard body with a Lima Tender drive was not successful, my second loco a scratchbuilt 650 Class 2-4-0 in brass was a reasonable runner if the bodywork was not up to scratch, the 650 was later followed by a Midland Small Tank from a TMD kit which still exist and a Midland Standard Goods which like the Achill Bogie and 650 Class I later scrapped.

Baseboard was pretty heavy duty ¾” chipboard or ply hard top on 4X2” framing, track soldered n/s rail on copper clad sleepers, completed track and points in station area and approach curves, completed shell of station building Faller embossed paper on plasticard and shelter embossed brick plasticard.

Had vague plans for a second station based on Sligo Road practice with a narrow gauge feeder running alongside the ‘main line”.

Unfortunately the Irish economy was going through a prolonged recession at the time with the residential construction sector where I worked was badly hit. I moved to the UK in 1986 to take advantage of the emerging boom and rapid career progression until the UK economy went into recession during the early 1990s and the process repeated.

Compact layouts UK years 80s-90s

I tended to build compact layouts usually 8’x2 or 18” baseboard while living in the UK initially flat/house sharing in London, before moving to my own place an apartment in Leighton Buzzard.

First layout was 4mm 21mm gauge a terminus fiddle yard scheme inspired by Castle Rackrent set up in a flat share in London.  Baseboards and supports were fabricated from “Conti Board” or wood grain melamine faced chipboard from local DIY Superstore to give a good appearance, create noise/dust during assembly and minimal finishing. The baseboards were supported on two storage units fabricated from the same material. The only drawback of the all chipboard construction was weight.

Castleross 4mm 21mm gauge

Layout was supposed to be the terminus of a fictional MGWR/Dublin and Meath branch line westwards from Dunboyne through Summerhill to Castleross (RTE Radio Soap of the 60s) set somewhere around Devlin Westmeath. Track was again soldered construction using copperclad sleepers, buildings using Wills Scenic material sheets some of which have been re-used on Keadue. Main problem was trying to get locos and stock to run reliably through the double slip point on the crossover from the main line to loop and goods yard, never finished scenic works. The main issue with building a double slip was finishing a total of 8 point (switch) blades to fit accurately against their respective stock blades compared with two on a conventional point, a problem I ran into when I next attempted to build a layout in 21mm gauge!

Layout proved useful as a test track for 21mm gauge locos and stock including a Midland Tank, a couple of J15s and wagons.

Bankfoot 4mm 21mm gauge.

I developed an interest in industrial and mineral railways while living in the UK and honed my skill in assembling etched kits on Craftsman 07 and 02 Diesel Shunter Kits and Impetus Industrial Diesels initially in OO and acquired a largish collection of Dapol and Parkside BR wagons.

The shift to EM was inspired by visits to Expo EM and the work of the Milton Keynes club EM gauge group lead by Chris Lyster.

Bankfoot was cribbed directly by Iain Rice’s plan of the same name a small yard on a “mineral railway’, mine was inspired more by the Ironstone railways of the East Midlands rather than the Clee Hill system in Shropshire that inspired Iain’s plan.

Baseboards ware more contemporary in nature open top,  ply trackbase and framing inspired by Barry Norman’s Landscape Modelling. The ply I choose was a bit light for trackbase leading to sagging between supports, countered gluing 2X1 stripwood supports to the underside of the trackbase.

Plain track was C&L flexible bullhead, points assembled using C&L bullhead point kits, one foreground siding was handlaid bullhead track with full depth sleepers to give the impression on unballasted track.

Scenically backscenes had curved corners, contours were built up with plaster bandage on card profiles, grass was dyed medical lint fibers glued ‘hairy side down” to the bandage before peeling back the backing, a state of art method for modelling meadow grass in the days before static fibres.

Possibly on of my last operating sessions. Individual chairs are quite noticeable on the points and medical lint grass with patches of Woodlandscenics "foliage" not sure if I used too light a shade of dye or the colour faded as a result of UV light.

The layout went into a hiatus for several years after I completed the tracklaying and basic scenery as a result of changing circumstances including a move to Scotland and a return to Ireland during the Celtic Tiger era.

The Milton Keynes Club stored my layouts for several years before I collected and returned Bankfoot to Ireland in 2000!

I dusted off Bankfoot and motorized the points using Tortoise Point motors and tidied up the scenic works before exhibiting the layout at a Model Railway Society of Ireland October Holiday Exhibition in the early 2000s, we later operated Bankfoot as ‘an add on” to the late Frank Davis’s Wentworth Layout at a Cork exhibition. Bankfoot was later exhibited jointly with Wentworth at the 2004 Warley National Exhibition.

One of the Quarry locos an ancient Manning Wardle built from an Impetus kit. Loco actually works Iron Ore wagons are recently introduced (2000ish) Parkside Kits state of the art models in terms of detail accuracy and ease of assembly by the standards of the time.

Control was with a Gaugemaster & club project ‘hand held’ electronic controller, points and uncoupling magnets controlled by toggle and push button switches mounted in the fiddle yard area at the rear of the layout. Couplings were 4mm B&B a British cottage industry manufactured magnetic version of the European hook and loop coupler.

While designed for self-contained operation Bankfoot had a lead off track that could be connected to a fiddle yard or another layout allowing Bankfoot and Wentworth to be connected, control of Bankfoot could be switched between the two layouts using a DPDT center off switch

While self-contained train length was restricted to a diesel shunter and 5 wagons, when connected to Wentworth it was possible to increase train length to 10 wagons plus a main line loco using the capacity of the run-round loop and fiddle yard.

Typical quarry motive power. I never properly sorted out the roof of the loco shed.

To make operation more interesting I added an operating loading bunker to one of the sidings at Bankfoot to allow loaded and empty trains to be modelled.

Although I never completed detailing of the scenery or structures Bankfoot was reliable and satisfying to operate particularly when operated in conjunction with Wentworth and in the final analysis was successful successfully operating at a number of exhibitions and at home for my own enjoyment.

5 hours ago, Galteemore said:

202 was Louth but this cannot be 202! The only flaw on this superb model. This is a U of the 1915 batch. 202 was of the 1948 batch - the ones with side window can and LMS style tender as modelled by OO Works.

Northstar Design/Studio Scale Models may have produced a kit for the original 1915 version, Worsley Works a set of scratchbuilders parts for the 1948 version and OO Works a OO rtr model of the U. TMD/SSM also produced the widely used GNR T2 4-4-2T which was basically a tank version of the U Class.

The GNR U and its variations has been covered quite comprehensively in kit and rtr form.

On 9/2/2024 at 11:02 AM, Darrman said:

https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2024/0124/1428430-dart-airport/

A bit of an old report, but this has the Irish Rail CEO suggesting it could be done in about five years. He also did not cost it, nor is it funded. The closest to a detail you can get is him suggesting going over the M1.

While I think having an airport link is important, I am under no illusion that it will be built - nor do I have any faith in the Dublin Metro being built either. Pretending it will be built for a moment, I'd say the service should either be direct to Connolly or maybe allow a stop at Clongriffin for people to change onto locals. Of course, there's only so much capacity on the line and it's jammed enough as is. Divert them to the new Docklands station when/if that's built to relieve Connolly? Won't fix Enterprise traffic jams without extra tracks, which would require a lot of construction in its own right. A nice idea, but would need a lot of work to do correctly.

Funding of infrastructure projects that are unable to cover their capita or operating costs is becoming a significant issue internationally, UK struggling to fund HS2 while more seriously water infrastructure in many so called advanced economies is approaching collapse.

A government was recently elected in New Zealand on a platform of tax cuts and eliminating wasteful expenditure including immediately stopping work (planning stage) on a Light Rail project serving Auckland Airport. 

This week the Government announced that its eliminating a Regional Fuel Tax used to fund public transport and roading infrastructure leaving the City with a potential $1.2b funding shortfall over the next four years. The Government claims that eliminating the Regional Fuel Tax is intended to help ordinary people faced with a cost of living crisis. Auckland Mayor has stated that he is unwilling to raise rates (residential and commercial) to fund the shortfall and that some projects may need to be axed, the Government has suggested Congestion Charging for peak road use which won't exactly help people for who public transport is not an option.

9 hours ago, minister_for_hardship said:

Re councils and railways, if CIE didn't have a monopoly and councils got a disused line or trackbed for free in this country, it would likely be handed out / sold / rented to surrounding landowners/"friends and family" in days of yore or made into the current in-thing now, greenways.

Again, there's more interest in "what can you do for me?" clientelism here, and that's usually something that can be turned into a thing that makes money with minimum effort. Quickly.

Railway preservation can add value to a locality, but it's a slow burn.

The provision (in the UK and elsewhere to give Councils 1st refusal on abandoned railway apparently tied in with the Councils transport and economic development functions and allowed the railways to transfer their liabilities for closed lines to the Councils/local communities.  I had a friend who worked in the liabilities section of BR York for many years whose main duty was trying to transfer liabilities on abandoned lines to councils and extinguish right of ways. Up to the 70s CIEs normal practice was to transfer ownership of sections of abandoned lines to adjoining landowners often paying the landowners legal fees in return for extinguishing claims for future liabilities. 

Can understand the reluctance of Irish Councils to take over abandoned lines huge potential liabilities and no income from property rates from an abandoned line.

On 7/2/2024 at 2:34 PM, WRENNEIRE said:

And another GNR 0-6-0

 

 

 

 

The UG is likely to be built from a set of Worsley Works "Scratchbuilders Parts" introduced in the early 2000.

Certainly built into a fine looking model

One of the attractions of large scale modelling is coping with the elements.  I lifted out a removable bridging section for some work in the garden on Monday and the rails had expanded with heat and would not fit (after 16 years) when I replaced the bridge.

Ended up cutting the rails with a fine toothed piercing saw, which cut through the brass rail like a knife through butter.

The blue plastic is pond-line I got cheaply as a waterproof membrane to protect the treated ply baseboard top in this area. Bridge is treated 6X2 pine.

Ran 463 yesterday evening on a load test to check if there was any improvement in the hot dry weather since Sunday afternoon.

463 Stalled at the crest of the grade at Jackson City split and re-combined train to reach its destination

Easy downhill part of the run!

Took the train up the High Line in two sections. 463 is running at full speed in all videos!

1 hour ago, Gabhal Luimnigh said:

What sport besides rugby are New Zealand extremely competitive at?

When it comes to sport a fairly laid back lot really: About 20 minutes devoted to sports on the 6 Oclock news.

Rugby Union, Rugby League, Cricket (Black Ferns), Basket Ball (Tall Backs) Netball (White Ferns), Soccer, Rowing, Sailing, Winter Sports. Motor Racing 

There is an old saying that New Zealanders will support the National Team and anyone that's playing against Australia.

Last year hosted Womens World Cup, hosted 12 races in 2020 Americas Cup World Series Regata

20 medals 2020 Summer Olympics---7 Gold 6 Silver 7 Bronze

5 Rowing 3 Canoeing, 2 each Rugby Sevens, Cycling and Athletics, one each Sailing, Golf, Boxing, Trampolining, Tennis and Triatlon

On 6/2/2024 at 5:36 AM, Ironroad said:

John, I'm a bit surprised by these statements. You seem to be implying that people in Ireland only respond to handouts. Back in the day why would any foreign company consider investing in Ireland (a small island economy) when right next door they had an available ready made big market  and economies of scale. The policy of providing incentives was justified and has been successful. As for mortgage interest tax relief, I don't think this is as generous as it once was, but this was a form of wealth redistribution and it helped people who otherwise had no chance of home ownership, and home ownership is one of the best forms of wealth building. 

As has been mentioned, many people do get involved voluntarily in many areas. The tidy towns initiative changed the face of the country, and we punch above our weight in sports due to the dedication of many volunteers. Maybe the interest just doesn't exist for railways, but it seems to me that the Royal Canal might well have long since been filled in had it not been to the work of dedicated volunteers who mucked in to restore it.

My comments were based on my experiences living and working in Ireland, Great Britain and New Zealand. Since the 60s the Irish Government has been very astute in setting up conditions (tax breaks, education system and IDA) to attract inward overseas investment which has been good for the country, the downside is that it earned Ireland the reputation of being a tax haven and unfair competition.

Living in Scotland during the 90s there was a belief that Scottish Enterprise was wasting their time in attempting to compete with the IDA to attract new industry, although the NZ Government considered setting up a financial service sector during the 2100s providing similar tax breaks to Ireland was considered politically unacceptable and potentially damaging to international relations.

Working in the construction sector Irish Government's policies of mortgage interest relief, home buyers grants and tax breaks to developers contributed directly to todays problems with housing affordability and high construction costs in Ireland. The ending of price control (Certificate of Reasonable Value) and the introduction of 1st time buyer grants during the 70s lead to a shift from building what we now term 'affordable homes" (3 bed terrace) to larger more expensive homes, the builders simply pocketed the £1000 1st time buyer grant (7% cost avg new home 1976) by increasing the price by £1000 and pocketing subsequent increases as the grant was increased to £4,000. The company I worked for shifted from building £14,000 to slightly smaller nos or £48,000 houses in 3 years as grants and increasing rates of mortgage relief came into effect.

Developer tax breaks introduced from the late 80s onwards became were more insidious as already viable developments did not take place without a tax break, investors withdrawing their stake once they received their tax break potentially leaving the business with insufficient working capital to continue operation. I built a 150 bedroom hotel in a prominent Dublin location under one of these schemes during the late 90s, the Irish owners selling their stake upon completion. 

The Tralee and Blennerville appears to have been built under such a scheme, the original investors apparently able to walk away leaving Tralee Council with the liability of a disused railway when the business ran out of working capital.

Over centralisation with successive Governments stripping Councils of their powers and CIEs monopoly position on surface public transport has not helped to preservation movement. In many Countries Regional and City Councils have responsibility for funding and operating public transport services and have bought and leased closed railway lines to preservation groups and private operators. The position with Youghal or Fenit Branches could have been radically different had Councils powers to acquire and operate closed railway lines.

One of the lightbulb moments after settling in New Zealand was the realising that I was paying roughly the same amount of net tax as I paid in Ireland or the UK without the same deductible expenses (National Insurance, Mortgage Interest, Health Insurance, Pension contributions).

I won't get into sport New Zealander are extremely competitive in all sporting disciplines, though Munster and Ireland both considered a force to be reckoned with and an Honourable Opponent in Rugby Union

One of Ireland's biggest competitive advantages is that most of its high value/high volume export industries are located near ports eliminating the need for long haul road or rail transport to the Ports. Cork pharmaceutical and chemical processing, Dublin almost everything, Limerick-Shannon Aluminium refining and processing. Ballina/Mayo Intermodal freight is a hangover from the days the Irish Government provided subsidies (including favourable freight rates) for heavy manufacturing Industry to locate in the West. Its more convenient and economic to ship Irelands food exports (meat and dairy) to the UK and EU by road and Ro-Ro Ferries.

Limerick-Foynes paying for the rail link should be a good incentive to use it!  

Port and Logistics companies funding rail links and terminals is common practice internationally. 

Perhaps time for Dublin or Waterford Ports to fund Inland Ports in the South West (Mallow/Cork) and West (Athenry) and even freight rolling stock

6 hours ago, WRENNEIRE said:

Some other rolling stock this morning

Quite a treasure trove!

The UT ex-GNR Bread/Parcels Van is something of a rarity a Jeremy Suter kit produced during the late 90s early 2000s.

Jeremy produced a series of excellent limited run Irish wagon kits including the UTA-ex GN Parcel Van, GN Standard covered wagon, GN & NCC versions of the Bread Container wagons used in Northern Ireland and an MGWR Coal Wagon.

TMD Kits. The TMD J15 kit released 1986 was quite advanced for etched kits of the era with built-in jigs to assist the assembly of the footplate valence assembly  a distinctive feature of Class and a tender with half etched rivet detail and slot and tab assembly to simplify assembly. The main weak point in the earlier kits like the J15, GNR T and MGWR tank was that the classis was etched in the same thickness of brass as the body. Later kits including the GNR S and SG were supplied with chassis in nickel silver and upgraded nickel silver chassis supplied with the GNR T (4-4-2T) and MGWR Tank. 

Later kits including the GN SG, GSR 800 Class, Bandon Tank, GNR, GSWR and GSR coaches appear to have been designed by the late Eamonn Kearney and were designed as a number of sub assemblies to simplify assembly and painting. The coach bodies were designed to bolt together with pre-formed roofs, were effectively self jigging with minimal requirement for solder.

SSM Whitemetal Wagon Kits. A number of high quality whitemetal wagon kits were added while the business was under Paul Greene's management including the wooden underframed version of the Standard Irish Open wagon used by the GNR and by the majority of the Southern Companies from the WW1 era onwards and the GSWR and MGWR versions of the "Standard Irish Covered Wagon" (soft topped convertible)

1 hour ago, Broithe said:

Numbers comes into it. There's a lot of people on the Big Island, but as potential volunteers and as potential visitors.

Living in both places, I know more people in Ireland actually involved in heritage activities of various kinds than in I do in England.

There are cultural issues, too, railways just aren't 'as important' to people in Ireland

It's a matter of what is possible and viable. If people aren't interested as volunteers or visitors, than so be it, unfortunately perhaps...

I think its more a cultural (preparedness to donate money/get stuck in) than a numbers issue in terms of potential volunteers and visitors.

New Zealand has a similar population to Ireland (approx 5million people) spread out over a land mass similar size to England, Scotland and Wales with many successful heritage railways and museums on both North and South Islands and with 142 preserved steam locos of which approx 22 are operational.

While there are some large Tourist Train Operators like Dunedin Railways, Mainline Steam Trust and Steam Incorporated a lot basic grass roots operations including community groups set up when the local branch line closed, people interested in Bush Tramways (Logging Railways) or local farmers that recovered and restored steam locos that had been dumped in rivers including some rare Rogers 19th Century Columbia type Locos. https://natlib.govt.nz/records/22911730

Many of these schemes are operated by volunteers, financed out of the back pocket, often operating once-twice monthly with less than 10k visitors annually but they still carry often driven by local pride the descendants of the people that settled the land during the 19th/early 20th Century.

8 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

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As an aside, possibly uniquely, in Ireland - several of the heritage-type railway schemes are privately owned by one (or maybe two) individuals. While this does not officially bar them from grants, as such, it makes eligibility more difficult. I've had personal experience of preparing applications for a number of projects. One - relating to Downpatrick some 25 years ago - came up aganist this issue. At the time, the DCDR was not operated as it is now, as a democratically run society with elected officers, but it was in the course of changing to that. Once this was the case, and the Downpatrick & Ardglass Rly Co (privately owned by about half a dozen founder members) had been dissolved and the assets placed in the hands of the new registered charity, Downpatrick & Co Down Railway, both local authority and other grants were instantly available.

I think part of the problem in Ireland North and South is the expectation that the Government with provide grant grants for heritage schemes rather than the owners or supporters groups putting their hands in their own pockets. Possibly tied up with the culture that developed that overseas companies would only invest in Ireland if given tax breaks or that it was necessary to provide tax breaks to encourage people to buy their own home (mortgage interest relief) or encourage investors to build apartments (S23), hotels and tourist accommodation.  Biggest culture shock moving to New Zealand was that I paid about the same amount of net tax without tax relief on mortgage, medical insurance or pension contributions.  

Privately owned steam/heritage railways schemes are not unique to Ireland. The Dart Valley Railway (Kingswear-Paignton 6miles ) the Brecon Mountain Railway 6 miles,  and Vale of Rheidol (11¼ miles) are privately (company or family trust) fully commercial operations that operate without volunteer labour. The Main Line Steam Trust in New Zealand is controlled by an individual who owns the largest operating fleet of steam locos in the Southern Hemisphere (mainly NZ and South Africa.

On a smaller scale the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway (¾ mile)  has largely self-funded its restoration efforts through donations and bequests from its 1000 strong membership starting from a greenfield site in 1980 restoring several steam and diesel locos, building coaches, station and volunteer facilities from scratch with minimal grant aid from the UK or Welsh Government. Operating a similar timetable to the Waterford and Suir Valley, trains are mainly operated by volunteers that have retired in the area assisted by a small group of regular volunteers who travel to the area on weekends to carry out loco/C&W and PW maintenance, supported financially by armchair members.

Home from the land of the ice and snow (US Mid West), first job before running trains was to mow the lawn which in some places had grown nearly a foot during the past four weeks and clear the railway of debris/encroaching vegetation

Although a dry El Nino weather system was forecast this Summer most of January turned out wet and humid with rampant plant growth and everything saturated.

Main yard area covered in debris.

Fallen branches tunnel area

Vegetation taking over main line area was cleared for train running a coupe of days before Christmas.

Ran a couple of trains late afternoon after tidying up garden and clearing railway. Usual drill ran train from staging in shed to main yard, turned locos on Wye and re-marshalled trains for return run before tea time.

346 leading short freight after trimming back jungle. I need to remove creeping plants/weeds that have began to tae over this area.

463 with 8 cars (6 stock, 2 Box) + Caboose on main line. Although within 463s normal capability turned out a challenge to haul this train up the 4% grade with wheels slipping on greasy rails from yesterdays heavy rain.  Although the loco made it round the tricky curved section at the bottom of the grade slipped on the more easily graded straight section half way up that was in the shade through out the day, despite several re-starts and opening and closing the regulator ended up assisting with the 0-5-0.  You can usually control wheelslip by "twiddling" the throttle speed control knob in a similar manner to closing and opening the regulator on a steam loco to prevent wheel slip.

Usually I would have sent a second loco to assist or "doubled the hill" after 463 stalled, but the mosquitos were out and I had the bins to put out for tomorrows collection, running the trains was a nice break from the days chores.

Interestingly 348 and its train made it up the grade without slipping but considerable wheel slip!

I had reduced 348s train to 4 cars and a caboose to avoid the train stalling. 

On 2/2/2024 at 2:13 PM, WRENNEIRE said:

Some more Black (J15)

 

 

Quite a collection Dave.

I just realised I have a model of 191 I assembled 30 years ago from the TMD J15 kit.

I bought a J15 and an S Class kit from Terry McDermott in the early 90s, loco won a prize kit built loco category Milton Keynes Model Railway Club. The TMJ J15 was all brass, I thinned the coupling rods to represent unpainted steel, tender axlebox castings were glued on at the time I hadn't tried soldering whitemetal.

There have been a number of changes in the long production life of the kit 1985-date? The original TMD kit was etched in brass (body and chassis) with turned brass frame spacers, chimney and dome, but no castings, later versions of the TMD kit included whitemetal chimney, dome castings and plastic spring/axlebox castings.  The body and chassis of the SSM (Paul Greene) version of the kit was etched in nickel silver with a comprehensive set of whitemetal castings.

The small GNR 0-6-0 57 was originally produced by Northstar Design (Adrian Rowland) who also produced 7 and 4mm versions of a GNR PP 4-4-0 and a 10mm Scale Tralee and Dingle 2-6-0 which passed on to SSM.

There was a transition period between TMD and Studio Scale Models. SSM marketing and selling the GNR 20T Goods Brake while TMD continued to sell its existing stock of Irish loco kits. The GNR compound was initially marketed and sold by TMD after SSM had taken over the marketing and sales of earlier TMD kits (The TMD Compound Kit included the tender from the SSM (exTMD) GNR S Class)

The GSR Bredin Coaches may initially have been marketed and sold by TMD before being incorporated in to the SSM range.  

4 hours ago, Killian Keane said:

139, 1885

At 139 years Kettering Furnaces No 3 is historic by any standards the sole survivor of the Black Hawthorne  0-4-0ST supplied to the site.

No 3 is likely to require substantial work to restore to working order (mechanical re-build and likely a new boiler & firebox)

Industrial locos tended to be worked hard in harsh conditions with minimal maintenance compared to locos used on main line and public light railways.

The National Trust appears to have approved the donation of the loco to the WSVR who appear to be aware of the challenges and are entrusting the restoration to a an engineering works in the UK that has experience in restoring historic locos.

https://www.wsvrailway.ie/news/bus-route-to-kilmeadan-station/

Can't help thinking that a new build possibly 0-4-2T would be a better option than attempting to restore a 157 year old 0-4-0ST

Apart from the historic significance of Kettering Furnaces No 3 a Black Hawthorne in close to its original condition, an 0-4-2T would be more suitable than an outside cylinder 0-4-0 for working passenger trains on a line line the Suir Valley.

Narrow gauge short wheelbase 0-4-0ST have a reputation of being unstable for 'main line" work in Wales the Tallylyn and Corris rebuilt their 0-4-0St as O-4-2ST and the Ballymena Cushendall and Red Bay used Black Hawthorn 0-4-2ST for their Iron Ore trains and were later used for Tourist Traffic.

Personally I think static display in a museum would be more appropriate given the age and historic significance of the loco either in the North East or one of the ironstone railway groups in the East Midlands with a established record in restoring steam locos.

Snap! Three GNR 21mm gauge locos assembled from TMD (Terry McDermott) kits 1996-2002.

Locos probably last run on MRSI Loughrea layout during exhibition early 2000s, all three locos require repair and repaint  after 20 odd years in storage/on display. One kit bought new from Terry before Paul Greene acquired the business, the remaining locos picked up as part of a job lot of part built TMD kits at a UK exhibition. 

174 Caruntuhill possibly the last S Class outshopped by Dundalk in lined blue after the CIE takeover.

An S masquerading as Qs 132. Loco is due a strip down and re-paint following damage in storage.  Grey overspray on boiler and running board following attempt to clean up smokebox.

SG awaiting lettering and numerals following re-paint

Bit difficult to imagine N I Railways a UK state funded body selecting German RAL (Reichs-Ausschuß für Lieferbedingungen und Gütesicherung) rather than BS (British Standard) colours for its corporate colour scheme.

The CIE corporate colour scheme of the 1960s was developed by a Swedish firm of consultants hence the use of a RAL code rather than a BS No  for the orange/tan.

Might be worth contacting Translink or the Ulster Folk and Transport Museum for a definitive answer.

5 hours ago, Gabhal Luimnigh said:

Thanks Eoin, I am going to try and give the illusion of wheels underneath with the step included, ambitious I know but hopefully worth the effort, there's some tidy woodwork in those sheds.

As builder and construction project manager I have serious reservations about the ground level detail of the sheds in Murray's photos.

There appears to be a risk or damp and potential failure (rot) of the shed structure in the apparent absence of underfloor ventilation or a dampproof membrane between the ground and the shed one of the underlying principals of building construction. I ended up replacing the timber ground floor with a concrete slab on a dpm in a house in Dublin about 30 years  ago as a result of blocked underfloor vents.

Personally I would build the shed using timber frame construction either on a suspended timber floor on timber piles

or a concrete raft/slab foundation

Timber frame construction was and remains the standard for housing construction in New Zealand, I built a scaled down version of a New Zealand Railways platform shelter as a store in our garden.

Personally if I was building a replica or a Brake Van or Wagon, I would use 100X50mm treated timber for the structural framing, with treated T&G board or treated grooved plywood for the cladding on a building membrane, with treated 4X1 for the cosmetic outside framing. Internally walls ceilings and underfloor insulated with batt insulation and lined with plasterboard or plywood depending on your taste.

Potentially looking at a min 6X2" for floor joists at 16" centres supported on 4X3 bearers to support a couple of people in the shed if you go for a suspended floor.

Local building regs. require a min 400mm ground clearance under a suspended floor so potential space if you want to allow for wheels, brake gear and steps.

4 hours ago, WRENNEIRE said:

Found recently in the vaults
I am not sure if it is prototypical? 
The writing says "Castleblaney PW Car No 8177
I will upload some stunning steam locos over the next couple of days 

 

 

 

 GNR "Ford Platelayers Trolley" set of scratchbuilders parts available from Worsley Works for several years.

Alan sent me a photo of the fret but I never bought one!

The S looks like its built from a SSM kit, I built a couple! Clearances between splashers, coupling rods and crank pins are minimal on these locos in 21mm gauge

Possibly a Pier with its own loco at Dugort Harbour financed by local gentry and Castletown West business interests not unlike Tralee-Fenit,.  Tralee & Fenit Harbour Company Hunslet 0-6-0ST "Shamrock"  an ex-contractors Hunslet 0-6-0St was taken into GSWR stock and numbered 299 when the GSWR absorbed the WLWR.

The Broad Gauge harbour or industrial lines were a bit too main stream for my taste, Irish, reservoir, Quarry/mining and forestry tramways more interesting/challenging

Reservoir and Hydro Schemes

Another possibility are the standard and narrow gauge railways used in reservoir construction and early hydro electric schemes.

Mourn Mountains-----Standard gauge possibly steam worked.

Roundwood----------Little information---Rail possibly used in second reservoir scheme in 1920s---Mention of a loco shed.

Shannon Scheme----Broad and Narrow gauge--German proprietary equipment--------Possible Ho or Hoe project.

Poulaphuca Hydri Electric-----Narrow Gauge---possibly 2'----UK Proprietary equipment Motor Rail (Simplex) or R&H locos--ideally 7mm scale or larger.

Mining and Quarrying.

Hodgsons Tramway--------3'6" Avoca copper mines to Arklow  to 1860s-------- Traction engine style locos 7mm or larger!

Quarry tramways---Arklow, Achill---------possibly 2' gauge proprietary British or Greman locos-------indeally 7mm or larger.

Benbulbin-Mullaghmore ----------2' gauge Byrytes Tramway mid 1920s short lived 1 Motor Rail possibly War Surplus loco/

Forestry Tramways

Glenfarne post WW1 era-----2' Gauge 0-6-0T-WW1 era industrial  a 7mm kit may be available