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5 hours ago, Westcorkrailway said:
To those who care about this sort of thing. My enterprise is currently on drogheada (we should have left Dundalk by now) due to a wiper blade coming off
Edit: We left at about 5 past 12.
at least the front didn't fall off
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On 25/6/2025 at 11:38 AM, jhb171achill said:
Indeed; I share that concern. Despite good noises being made, freight facilities in Dublin have again been reduced, Taras have gone, and there’s even less left now.
And still not a syllable about Foynes.
Idk what the longterm plan is for North Wall but at least Dublin ports rail link will be reinstated after improvement works. I'm not very optimistic, but considering the likes of the foynes and the purchase of new wagons upcoming there must be something.
What I did not consider when I wrote that post is that they could always run freight at night on busier sections to avoid clashing with the commuter services. That'd be a return to form! I recall looking at the WTT for Mullingar back in the early to mid 20th century, the earliest train landed in at about 3am!
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4 hours ago, Mayner said:
Just received an e-mail that 4D Model Shop the firm that produced the etch parts for Paul's E401 Class is closing on 30 June.
I guess final chance for anyone to place an order for a CIE E401 Class shunter
Very unfortunate news, they were an excellent service. Will be gone in less than a week!
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17 minutes ago, IrishTrainScenes said:
4 x 29000s (unconfirmed) worked 09.50 ex Dublin & 13.00 ex Belfast today. Possibly 11.50 & 15.00 also due to DD set AND an ICR Failure.
If ever the 29ks were given a nickname,maybe other than 'cheap as fuck' I think donkeys or mules would be apt
Workhorses of the railway, do everything and anything. Not at all 'glamorous' like the Mark 4s, DDs or ICRs, but usually show up when one of the latter two fails.
And of course they roar like donkeys!
A bit smelly too, just to add.
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30 minutes ago, BosKonay said:
The site should show prices in Euro with ‘inc. vat’ appended. Where are you browsing from ? If the site can’t tell if you’re in the EU it will just show ex Vat and then add it on when you confirm your location.
Usually I see it like this, initially the price minus vat shows up then after a few seconds refreshes to full price
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19 minutes ago, Mayner said:
I am planning to supply Coaching Stock etches to order direct from our photo engravers in the UK beginning with our CIE 4w Van and MGWR Horse Box and Meat Fish Van etches and expect to have an updated price list during the next two weeks.
I am considering producing sets of etched parts for 1951-53 Inchacore built coaches previously supplied as overlays for converting Dapol/Airfix 60' Stanier coaches to CIE stock. The proposed sets of parts similar in principal to Worsley Works/Comet coaches, supplied with an etched roof to be formed to profile by the builder.
At this stage I am looking at producing Buffet Car, Brake Second and will produce further sets of parts if there is sufficient interest based on enquiries for a minimum of 10 of each type of coach.
Put me down for one of each type of coach, one of each horsebox, fish/meat and two tin vans John.
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1 hour ago, Niles said:
I've read varying sources suggesting that 802 (a)received the experimental livery in the late 40s and later was repainted into the regular green, (b) that she was painted in the regular green, then experimental, then back to regular, and (c) that we she was painted regular green and then experimental for the rest of existence. Doesn't answer your question at all I know.
The 800s can be confounding. As iconic and well known as they are, there's actually quite a bit about them that doesn't seem clear, with a healthy dose of typical Irish yarns woven into the canon.
That theory on 801 running with 802's tender is interesting, hard to tell but that photo does give the appearance of being different shade. Mind you, I recall from my RPSI days there were occasions when 461's tender appeared to be a slightly different shade to the loco itself, the simple reason being when stabled in Connolly yard it was easier to clean one end than the other while lighting up.. maybe something similar is going on here, it's hard to tell...
It is, of course, possible that it was a case of the same colouring wearing differently, i.e., the tender wearing into a yellowish green, the loco into a bluish green, but I digress. The difference is very stark, and lasted a full decade! AFAIK, there were four tenders for the three locos; Maedbh carried the last one, IIRC.
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14 minutes ago, minister_for_hardship said:
A combined road rail and canal museum, but small town politics fecked it up.
Might be a different now, what with a Minister in Mullingar, rather than a Minister for Athlone
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13 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:
That was indeed one of the potential schemes proposed.
May send some emails..
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I wonder if there had been a plan in the 1990s to run steam along the Mullingar-Athlone route when the plan for the railway museum was taking shape.
All came to nought due to the interference of a certain politician who was loath to see Mullingar get tuppence for anything.
I'd like to do something with the buildings and infrastructure in Mullingar, before it is condemned to be destroyed.
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2 hours ago, Irishswissernie said:
GNRI 1956-04-28 Clones Railbus 1 .
GMK036 GNRI 1961-04-xx Connolly TD714.
Great shot of a BUT leaving Connolly. Shows the change in the last 60 years!
One thing I wish was retained was the old footbridge. The station lost a lot of its old GNRI character with its demolition. It'd save a lot of running around too!
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16 hours ago, DiveController said:
Can anyone confirm when the red nameplates were fitted to the 800s (other than Maedh) and earlier or later then the blue plates with FS?
Would the time line for liveries have been 800 GS, 802 light green, CIE DRK GREEN (FS), CIE DRK Green, Preserved ... and where for the red plates and which years?
I'm surprised that IRM doesn't include this information on the website give the amount of research it must have done on the models and liveries, and front views like the Hunslets since the differences were mainly in the smoke box area @BosKonay
I'm limiting to 4 only of the models due to events in the US and appreciate any insights into liveries/dates. TIA
All three were painted in the dark green initially, AFAIK, contrary to the IRM blog (open to correction ofc). I believe these photos in 1953 show Tailte in the light green (looking very fresh indeed) with single chimney (note the apparent lighter shade, the black chassis + wheels and the lack of lining on splashers, etc other than the black overline) Note that the IRM Tailte in light green has a smokebox dart rather than smokebox wheel in her light green livery. I'm unsure of the accuracy of this. Here's a photo of Tailte, apparently dated to the early 1950s. (Must be IRRS member to access)
Single chimney, lacking any modifications to her smokebox door at all!
Photos from Tailte tours show 802 in her prime, with the Enterprise at Amiens street. This can be dated therefore between 1950 and 53, shows her with 2 handrails, single chimney, no vertical brackets and a dart instead of a wheel. The site says 51 was when she received her single chimney, this certainly appears to be the case. Quite possible that the heavy overhaul in 1952 is when she received her experimental light green also. @Niles may have further insight.
https://www.tailtetours.com/post/ta-ilte-dublins-last-express-steam-locomotive
She certainly had a smokebox wheel by her last few years; she did not retain the dart until withdrawal.
v this photo of her earlier in the late 40s (need to be an IRRS member to access)
Undated photo of her, with single chimney and smokebox wheel, lacking(!) the ugly brackets on the smokebox door. Difficult to tell what her livery is here.
Photo of her at Inchicore, apparently in 1955. This looks like she's in the lighter shade still, but really it's impossible to tell. Regardless, this is Tailte at the end.
In terms of liveries
GS green for all three first
CIE (FS) dark green for all three with double chimeys (Maedbh until 1958 at least, Tailte until 1951, Macha apparently a good bit later, at least 1953 if the date of this photo of her at Inchicore is accurate (have to be an IRRS member to access)
All three would've initially had intact smokebox doors from the GSR days, so really the FS models are most accurate to the early 1950s, when they would've hauled the Enterprise. My guess is the upper horizontal handrail was added so those fitting the upper Belfast-Dublin-Cork Headboard had something to hold onto. The timeline for it certainly lines up.
Quite possible she would receive her single chimney while at Inchicore at the time. My guess for Macha therefore, would be 1953/54. Following this, single chimney, red numberplates are accurate until withdrawal. IRM states that both she and Tailte only had red number and namplates before reverting to blue. Macha though, definitely had red in her last years of service.
Tailte in experimental light green is likely accurate from 1952 or so, although she gained a smokebox wheel at some point. The vertical brackets came on and off from what I've seen in photos. I do not know when she received red numberpleates and when (or if) they were reverted back to blue. I'm unsure if she carried the light green until withdrawal.
Maedbh as preserved is only accurate after her move to Cultra, prior to that she lacked the completely inaccurate G S on her tender sides. She was spruced up for the official handover of the A class diesels in 1958, and may have been repainted again in the early 60s prior to being sent up North. Certainly by the time she was laid up at Thurles she lacked a flying snail. So if one wants to model Maedbh from 1958 until her move up to Cultra in the 1990s (for whatever reason), both the FS and Preserved versions will required snail or G S removed. Otherwise accurate.
I have a hunch that Macha started hauling around Tailte's tender at some point. Several photos of her with a tender that looks considerably lighter than the locomotive.
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Great photos of the PRs as new!
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26 minutes ago, Branchline121 said:
The tramway will reopen in 2027 if all goes according to plan, so it's not over yet.
Source: https://www.dublinport.ie/e9-million-investment-in-rail-freight-yard-at-north-wall/
Good news then?
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1 hour ago, Mayner said:
I can supply the tin van and other etches to order from our supplier in the UK approx 4-6 weeks lead time.
I'll post an update in the manufacturers section in a week or so.
I'd be interested in two + a horsebox van
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3 minutes ago, Westcorkrailway said:
No….No….
myself and GSWR90 worked on this all night long. Lots of AI and CGI.
I wasn't fooled. No SKEM graffiti on that coach anywhere; clearly, fake news. And it's not absolutely lashing rain? So much for artificial intelligence.
Jokes aside, good to see these locos being taken somewhere safe.
37 minutes ago, Killian Keane said:Good lord stuff leaving Moyasta? time to buy a lottery ticket
now as long as we dont get someone handcuffing themself to the loco we're laughing..
That could certainly be a bit of a drag..
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Far too consistent and accurate for AI atm, good as its getting. Just some weird zoom effect or something with that camera.
There is unfortunately a huge uptick in AI and AI scripted crap going around, but that's beside the point
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1 hour ago, Colin_McLeod said:
Maedbh preserved is the specific model you're looking for.
https://www.accurascale.com/en-ie/collections/gsr-cie-800-class/products/gsr800-800-maeve-preserved
No model of Maedbh IRM is selling has the vertical brackets AFAIK, as she did not wear these in service outside of when necessary (if at all).
You can see in the drawings she lacks them, compared to
https://www.accurascale.com/en-ie/collections/gsr-cie-800-class/products/gsr800-801-maca-cie-green
where the brackets are visible in the drawing.
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52 minutes ago, Horsetan said:
I think they were all built with just the double horizontal handrails.
At some point, they were all equipped with two vertical and two right-angled frames on the smokebox doors. These were meant solely for the purpose of mounting ceremonial shields, most notably for the tour of the Papal Nuncio and other Vatican officials, when the engines bore shields carrying the Vatican flag and emblems. There are photographs of all three 800s lined up on shed at Cork carrying these shields.
Subsequently, photos of 801 and 802 in their subsequent years of service show them still carrying these mounting frames; it may be safe to say that, during their CIE period, they were never removed until the engines were finally cut-up. When 800 herself was set aside at Thurles, photos show that the frames had been removed from her smokebox door, and she thus had reverted to the original setup of the double horizontal door rails.
I don't remember IRM specifically stating which of their 800 class models will have mounting frames as standard, or whether the frames will be provided as separate parts for you to fit, but I think it may be surmised that 801 and 802 in late CIE livery will have them.
As built, they only had the single (lower) handrail on the smokebox door, with a dart-type handle.
In CIE days, this began to change. Maedbh initially got a handle wheel replacing the dart. Then all three got the second (upper) handrail. Macha and Tailte received smokebox wheel handles after gaining their upper handrail.
Maedbh never carried the mounting brackets after the specials, to the best of my knowledge. The closest I've seen is the headboards for the centenary in 1949 trains, but whether the brackets were fitted or not, I do not know. They were certainly not carried around on her throughout her service after the centenary trains.
Macha seemingly only received them (again) later on; Tailte had them on and off throughout the 1950s. She was seen most consistently with them during that period. It is entirely possible they were 'easily' removable. I cannot understand why Macha lacked them throughout the early 50s, then seemingly gained them sometime in the late 50s.
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On 28/5/2025 at 6:16 PM, mphoey said:
Are the park royals due next month as site is saying quarter 2
payment due in september
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Two questions regarding the model.
The mechanical lubricator linkage is attached to the lubricator itself on the footplate. How will it be detached if the body is separated from the chassis?
And a cheeky one, have we any rough ETA on decorated samples?
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Perhaps we could look further back into Irish history?
"Red" Hugh Ui Neill Station?
Maybe if one is feeling somewhat Invincible, Skin the Goat Station?
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10 hours ago, LNERW1 said:
Just wondering- if Harcourt Street and Broadstone were reopened and given 1916 names, what would they likely be? De Valera and Collins jump to mind, although as far as I'm aware all the executed leaders' names are taken. I'm building an ideal Irish network in NIMBY Rails, a software I've mentioned before on this forum and want to use the two as underground high-speed stations, but am not quite sure what to name them. Obviously I could just use their original names but it does feel a little out of place among Dublin's 1916 stations, plus a surname is usually less clunky than a geographic location (Although De Valera is probably more of a mouthful than Broadstone- more than likely it'd be shortened to Dev in real life). I'd appreciate a bit of help as this problem's been sitting with me for a good couple months now so I thought I'd turn to the much smarter people on this forum for a hand.
The most likely outcome is they'd have received the names of 'smaller' stations instead, such as Dundalk, Drogheda, etc. As mentioned by John, naming them after figures either side of the civil war would not be wise politically.
24 minutes ago, LNERW1 said:Free Staters on the south side, Republicans on the North could have a chance at reducing immediately local controversy.
And this would be unwise, it is, after all, a rail transport network, people from every corner of the country would be coming to and from Dublin. Dublin as a whole was quite pro-treaty. Far better to avoid it altogether.
My personal thoughts are if the naming of stations was to be continued after executed leaders of the Rising, it'd likely be famous Irish figures in literature, art, sport etc. Or if you want to embrace our industrial heritage, name it after notable figures of the railway. Broadstone Cusack, anyone? This would have to be taken with great consideration also, of course, as many of the railway companies discriminated against Catholics being in the higher ranks before independence.
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Irish Railway News ‘Enterprise Watch’
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Makes sense, surprised they didn't have it in Drogheda. They've a few in Connolly iirc, almost certainly in Belfast also.