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Also see page 114 of Irish Railways in Colour Volume 2

 Have seen colour photos of the Swilly in back issues of Backytack magazine. You need get a copy of the revised edition of the classic Patterson book as well. The Visitors guide to the LLSR has a great colour photo on the front cover.

Surely the F class were on the West Clare?

50 and its sister engine had interesting histories and 50 was not withdrawn until 1946. Built by Beyer Peacock as 2-4-0 compounds in 1895 and altered in 1897 to 4-4-0s to improve stability etc. In 1926 50 was rebuilt as a simple with a very LNWR like appearance with its 7 foot driving wheels.

Volume 9 has many photos and full details of all MGWR lines and signal cabins. Got mine from.our IRRS friends at a meeting in London. Ask Leslie of this parish?

You need to track down a book called Signal Box Register Volume 9 Ireland and IOM for full details. The MGWR relied on English signalling companies up to 1920/1. The MGWR signal cabins suffered a lot of damage in this period especially during the Civil War.

IRRS Journal 55 may say MGWR wagon stock on the front cover. However it was the first of a 2 part feature on MGWR carriages

 So issue 51 February 1970 is what you need.

Suspect that will less staff the smaller companies like the County Down were content to give Beyer Peacock a free hand in design details. Of course the Baltic tanks were alleged to have been ruined by alterations demanded by staff in Belfast not Manchester!

That is a 4 4 2T not a Baltic tank.

You can visit LMS NCC coach 58 at the Donegal Railway Heritage Centre when it reopens after the lockdown?

On 5/4/2020 at 7:35 PM, Garfield said:

This drawing pre-dates the construction of 1000 and 1001 (B113 and B114), which apparently got underway in 1949, so it's likely this is an artist's impression of what these locos would look like when complete, rather than having anything to do with the proposed twin-engined locos.

I recall seeing an outline drawing of what the twin-engined Sulzers were supposed to look like some time ago. From what I remember, they would essentially have been 'stretched' versions of the first two prototypes, but possibly would have had tri-axle bogies.

The first 2 main line diesels were ordered in 1946 and indeed 1001 was out shopped in January 1950 during the time of this draft design

 This suggests that this draft design was for the 2 Express passenger diesel locos planned in 1946. By the time the Milne report of Dec 1948 cancelled this order firv6 mixed traffic diesels the diesel engines had been ordered but CIE could not cancel the contract due to penalty clauses. The engines were shipped to Inchicore before being returned to England years later for the 12 Sulzer locos built by BRCW in 1956/57

Shows the danger of using some secondary sources that refer to each other. This is how mistakes become so called facts it took me finding an article on the Sulzers in IRRS Journal 86 to realise my mistake. Should have known Garfield was correct!

Looking for something else today and came across IRRS Journal 51 with an 18 page article with photos on MGWR wagons only!

Would this has something to do with the 6 pairs of Sulzer engines ordered by 1948. The engines were for new Diesel locos cancelled by the Milne report. However with contracts signed they ended up stored at Inchicore before being used for the B101 class a few years later

No but would be interested in a copy of that series which has subtitled myself as well.

4 hours ago, PorkyP said:

As I recall ( not that i was around then obviously!) Auxiliaries were recruited from all ex officers, whereas b&t's were a motley of unemployed ex soldiers, ie other ranks.

The Auxiliries were a separate division of the RIC who were recruited from ex British Army officers a out 1500 men by 1920

 The Black and Tans were like Military Policeman about 9,000 strong who were mainly ex British soldiers and Sailors of a different social class than the Auxiliries. They are often confused.

Yes indeed remember being interviewed for that series.

21 hours ago, NIR said:

I wonder are there any photos of the siding at Cloghan Point, nothing there now.

NIR was a once a year thing for me and the Larne line was always a bit confusing. Ballylumford Power Station seemed to move paradoxically in the landscape and Larne Lough narrowed to become Belfast Lough?! Lots of little halts with names like Glynn and Eden, then one year everything went industrial with overhead pipes, a jetty and a siding. A great little journey, underrated for sure.

There are photos of Cloghan Point trains in books by Roy Carlisle.

Gavin in regards to Boyd book photos of the other type and was just trying to be helpful. After 1940 the NCC NG had 2 different types of Brake van thought photo on.page 216 Boyd and DVD images of your van might help?

Remember the series it was on TG4 a few years ago. Have you searched YouTube?

Published by Colourpoint books in 2006 called the UTA in Colour. There is a good photo of the other type of brake van on page 216 in J Boyd's book  Saga by Rail Ireland

 This book is highly recommended with details and many photos of the NCc NG lines in particular

Update there is a good colour photo of a Ballycastle Railway van on page 23 of the Young book on the UTA. See volume 5 of the Irish Railways DVD series which shows Ballycastle line and one of the brake Van's in B&W.

There were 2 different types of Brake Van on the NCC 3ft lines. Class 23 as modelled were ex B&L and there is a photo of one on page 113 and details of this in the revised Ballycastle Railway book. The other type was Class 24 and one of these remained on the Ballyclare branch till closure in 1950. See page 119 of the revised edition of Mid Anrtim NG book for a photo.

The industrial loco at Cultra is LPHC No 1 built in 1891 by Robert Stephenson.

25 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

Quiz question; it’s the late 1930s, but where are we?

 

North Wall yard?

9 hours ago, Patrick Davey said:

Cloghan Point spoil contract indeed it was:

https://www.geograph.ie/photo/3505762

There is a photo of DH2 on these 2nd spoil trains in JM Àllens 35 years of NIR book page 99

 They did not last long and were underpowered and after a few weeks were replaced by the Hunslets until the summer of 1975.

If is 1940 then cannot be 238/241 looks similar to 358 preserved by the RPSI. Stand corrected but still think it's the Larne line.