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21 hours ago, NIR said:

I wonder are there any photos of the siding at Cloghan Point, nothing there now.

NIR was a once a year thing for me and the Larne line was always a bit confusing. Ballylumford Power Station seemed to move paradoxically in the landscape and Larne Lough narrowed to become Belfast Lough?! Lots of little halts with names like Glynn and Eden, then one year everything went industrial with overhead pipes, a jetty and a siding. A great little journey, underrated for sure.

There are photos of Cloghan Point trains in books by Roy Carlisle.

Gavin in regards to Boyd book photos of the other type and was just trying to be helpful. After 1940 the NCC NG had 2 different types of Brake van thought photo on.page 216 Boyd and DVD images of your van might help?

Remember the series it was on TG4 a few years ago. Have you searched YouTube?

Published by Colourpoint books in 2006 called the UTA in Colour. There is a good photo of the other type of brake van on page 216 in J Boyd's book  Saga by Rail Ireland

 This book is highly recommended with details and many photos of the NCc NG lines in particular

Update there is a good colour photo of a Ballycastle Railway van on page 23 of the Young book on the UTA. See volume 5 of the Irish Railways DVD series which shows Ballycastle line and one of the brake Van's in B&W.

There were 2 different types of Brake Van on the NCC 3ft lines. Class 23 as modelled were ex B&L and there is a photo of one on page 113 and details of this in the revised Ballycastle Railway book. The other type was Class 24 and one of these remained on the Ballyclare branch till closure in 1950. See page 119 of the revised edition of Mid Anrtim NG book for a photo.

The industrial loco at Cultra is LPHC No 1 built in 1891 by Robert Stephenson.

25 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

Quiz question; it’s the late 1930s, but where are we?

 

North Wall yard?

9 hours ago, Patrick Davey said:

Cloghan Point spoil contract indeed it was:

https://www.geograph.ie/photo/3505762

There is a photo of DH2 on these 2nd spoil trains in JM Àllens 35 years of NIR book page 99

 They did not last long and were underpowered and after a few weeks were replaced by the Hunslets until the summer of 1975.

If is 1940 then cannot be 238/241 looks similar to 358 preserved by the RPSI. Stand corrected but still think it's the Larne line.

Yes they look similar to coaches 238 and 241 preserved by the RPSI. 50 years since the end of the spoil trains today even though one book said May 3rd!

80 built at York Road in 1925. Looks like the Larne line from what little detail we have.

Check IRRS Journal 55 and 56 for a detailed article on MGWR coaches.

Graham Farish do both a Fairburn tank and a BR Standard 2-6-4T that is close to a Jeep. They also do LNER Teak coaches as well. Check their website?

4 minutes ago, Galteemore said:

Again, as the Battle of Britain was currently being waged, with daily fears of German parachutists descending from Ju52s dressed as nuns, touting a camera about in July 1940 near the border would’ve been a risky venture...

There were no Orange parades from 1940 to 1943. There were some in 1944 see Barton Belfast Blitz book. So that photo could be July 13 indeed. By summer 1944 the main action was in France post D Day!

 In the wrong road because coaches are being pushed into long siding other side of bridge once loco runs round?

Back to Scarva there were no Orange parades 1940 to 1943 but some in 1944. So is this a special from Portadown in old DNGR stock and is the engine running round to shunt special into the siding beyond the bridge till after all activities are over? Finally on the bridge head left and you are in the Scarva village itself. By July 1944 effects of WW2 were starting to recede in NI.

If photo is 1944 unlikely to be an orange parade at the height of WW2. Could be a troop special during build up to D Day?

Most likely to be 83 and 87 withdrawn by the UTA in March 1960.

Thanks that's what happens when you go on your memory first! Checked Bunch this morning hard to believe they could run a special 6 months after closure! The double heading could have been a one off as well?

Most Donegal coaches were 31 foot long or later ones were 36 foot long with the exception of the ex LMS coaches. In Michael Bunch part 1 he explains that the 14 coach train was split on arrival. With 11 CDR coaches in both platforms. Therefore say 6 coaches in one you have a length of about 210 feet or 70 yards. The Bunch book is excellent and you can buy both volumes from the CDRRL in Donegal Town. Finally lots of photos of Victoria Road in Railway Archive Volume 2.

Photo is of 712 in the Hilden accident of March 25 1983. Both it and 88 leading the 2nd train were withdrawn due to accident damage. The other accident was in Lisburn on December 20 1978 and the A class hit 742 which was repaired afterwards

2 hours ago, Patrick Davey said:

My money is still on Desertmartin for this - the curve of the line under the bridge fits with the map below and the building also fits with this photo:

Am also tending to agree that the other view from a roof photo of the railcar is at Draperstown so these might all be taken on the same outing?

 

Now agree with Patrick and it would tie in well with a visit to Draperstown by senior on the same day. This branch closed to passengers as early as 1930 and was goods only like the Dungiven branch until 1950.

59 minutes ago, Patrick Davey said:

The railcar photo is suggesting Desertmartin on the Draperstown line.......

Not Desertmartin for the railcar photo. May not be even on the DC itself?

Looks like NNC Railcar 3 which was virtually identical to Railcar 4. Shunter is NCC 22 which was originally LMS 7057. One of only 3 NCC locos to run on the narrow gauge in Britian as well as Ireland. Will.come back to a location later but it is not the Larne line.

Agree with Patrick that 2 is Dungiven. Picture 1 might be Draperstown?