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I've been trying to get a clear picture of what way the silver livery was applied to tin vans from new but I can't seem to find a consistent view. Could anyone shed light on the subject?

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Which sort? Luggage, heating or TPO?

And can you give a bit more info on the details you’re looking for? Presumably the bits that weren’t silver? 
 

There are quite a few monochrome images of these when brand new. 

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Sorry, should have been more specific, I'd be looking at the heating or luggage vans. Mainly I'm trying to figure out was the roof silver and as you said, which bits were not silver. Many thanks.

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I can answer thoroughly when I’m home next week as I don’t have my laptop or library with me here in Downpatrick. 

There are certainly photos showing entirely silver roofs. A bit later, many photos show the edges of the roofs silver and the middle portion dark/black. Not always clear if this is a consequence of painting or cleaning. I can share a selection of photos to help you decide. Some are fairly convincing for the middle painted black theory, others are not. The same applies for contemporary mid-50s green coaches.

Vehicle numbers and ‘GUARD’ on the appropriate doors were EdN (not red, though red was used on some other silver coaches). 
‘NOT TO BE ROUGH SHUNTED’ on the ends of heating vans only was red. 

I think there were a few black bits but will need to check photos. Do you have access to the IRRS Flickr archive? 

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Unfortunately Im yet to get around to IRRS membership however it is on my to do list. Many thanks for your help though. Your selection of photos may not be possible without the IRRS flicker but I appreciate the effort nonetheless. 

Thanks for details about what type of transfers are required. Am I right in saying the chassis was originally silver as well?

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No black bits on tin vans of any type; plain silver all over. However, grime and weathering made many look as if they had black roofs (especially), ends, or other bits. All of Fry's models of carriages too, have silver roofs. Grey steam engines looked black, but weren't. Donegal* and GNR locos, being respectively geranium red and blue, looked as if they had black domes, black boilers sometimes, black fronts and backs of cabs, but they weren't.

The railways in the past were dirty!

As a result, tin vans, like the above, often looked (at worst) as if little more than the sides were silver - but they weren't. My own "silver" tin van has been weathered to the point that it just looks dirty all over bar the sides, which as per prototype ended up looking like a nondescript silvery grey.... probably the single most impractical "livery" ever devised by man - small wonder it didn't last.

(*  Drives me mad to see an actually black-painted dome on the Donegal engines in Cultra, Derry and Donegal! WRONG!)

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