DJ Dangerous

5 minutes ago, Wexford70 said:

Yeah will have to wait and see the final model first hand. 

Settling for coloured plastic rather than a top quality spray coat would be disappointing but unfortunately it has happened before as with the super train MK2s. Just could not bring myself to spend the money.

 

I have a feeling that they will be painted after reading these posts:

On 7/2/2020 at 1:58 AM, WRENNEIRE said:

No definite dates yet, but the latest I have heard is that the Grey locos will be the first to arrive, some problem arose and now it looks like the IE's are held up and the greys will be here first, they will be shipped this month.

On 7/2/2020 at 1:00 PM, WRENNEIRE said:

No George, something to do with paint not taking, there are 3 different forms of plastic on the body and I think there was a reaction with one of them
(EBay looking good for you atm!!!)

3 hours ago, Warbonnet said:

We cannot disclose that information, but we sold a lot of them both! 

Ha! I can see that!

I could never decide on 121 but I'm lucky to have 124 ordered!

Does anybody know how many of each version of the 121 models have been produced?

The RPSI version was 300 units, I think?

121 and 124 are already sold out on the IRM website! How many of each have been allocated to IRM for sales?

Wow!

Even looking at the headlights, it looks as if the shade on each of the two models should be swapped around.

If the top model of the two maintained its details but had the bloodier shade, it would look just like flange's photo.

Thank you!

So, would it be fair to say that the shade on the two locos should be swapped, with the details remaining as they are, to better reflect the progression of the liveries?

2 minutes ago, flange lubricator said:

Yes that wound not be inaccurate the cravens would have been introduced in 1963/64 and the bubbles in batches in 1964 1965 and 1967 .

So those last 19 packs of grey bubbles would go great with 121 and 135!

https://irishrailwaymodels.com/collections/cement-bubbles/products/cie-grey-cement-wagon-multi-pack-i

10 minutes ago, flange lubricator said:

Silver , Green  and latterly black and tan coaches ran with the grey 121's  , the grey livery 121 loco's  lasted well into the 1960's I believe, CIE repainted some of them in Grey two in particular B123 and B127 received the addition of a red buffer beam . Would have been nice if one of the grey 121's by Murphy Models had have been B123 or B127 with the red buffer beam but you cant have everything .

 

So 121 and 135 could run with single-stripe Cravens and with grey Bubbles and be prototypically acurate?

Wow!

On 1/6/2013 at 12:01 AM, jhb171achill said:

071 Class

 

Delivered from GM in a factory painted version of CIE livery. The "tan" was not CIE's standard shade, being significantly darker and more brownish. The CIE roundel on the ends was all white, instead of the normal style of tan surround and white letters, and it was not quite the standard shape of logo. It looked slightly larger than normal. At first repaint all received standard "Supertrain" livery.

 

These locos did not carry standard orange with white logo. White logo, brown paint; normal logo with normal orange / tan.

 

In the case of all of the above, "tippex" white lines were of course added post-'87, along with a change of logo.

Any idea which of the two CIE liveries in the photos attached ran from when until when?

The top one looks a better colour match for MM's ST Mk2D's, but has a black wheel instead of red, and a white roundel instead of orange.

The second one has an "SA" affix, red wheel and the correct roundels, but is a much bloodier shade of orange than the ST coaches.

So what O Gauge rolling stock would be passable with them?

What RTR rolling stock will suit the grey 121's?

Is it true that they survived less than a year in their grey livery?

They entered service at the start of 1961?

Dapol have an O Gauge Class 3F Jinty due out in UTA livery.

Would this be an authentic UTA model, or is it just something similar repainted to look genuine?

https://www.hattons.co.uk/448185/dapol_7s_026_008_class_3f_jinty_0_6_0t_19_in_uta_ulster_transport_authority_lined_black/stockdetail.asp

On 8/1/2020 at 10:08 AM, Gordon71 said:

26.7.19. Portadown .

 

112 looks very desolate there.

Has anything more been announced or discovered regarding 224?

On 8/6/2020 at 12:54 AM, DiveController said:

I haven't seen/noticed this before but then I may not have seen early close-ups of the cabsides. Maybe this was a requirement for US manufactured locomotives that had to be on the loco prior to export? Did it run with this in the grey & yellow livery , at least until the filler pipes fell off?

Actually it won't technically go with anything but modern DMUs etc and other preserved liveries such as MM 0141A. I'm presuming for a start that it will retain the modern LED marker light clusters. Will it have any RPSI markings?

2 Foot rule, yes you could run them together but then they rarely if ever ran in consist in this livery, nor in BnT

I'm not knocking the model, I've ordered one.

It might work well with the RPSI Cravens, or the RPSI Mk2 set, which I think is still available from Marks Models:

http://www.marksmodels.com/?pid=3981

I got it, thank you!

13 minutes ago, DiveController said:

Not sure they'd be left with anything. Not sure how the DVT would sell but with 121s available as pushers that seems a no brainer. With regards to GSVs/EGVs they usually sell out more quickly than coaches and once sold are still in demand people may have an  rake that requires completion

We also have 201's available as pushers, in a variety of liveries, from a variety of sellers.

Agreed on the EGV's / GSV's / DVT's - bigger run of those as they'd be snapped up by anybody who has rakes of repaints etc that need completion - hence suggesting the bundles.

1 hour ago, DiveController said:

 

Again it's a matter of availability. For those with the skills to model something better than this it is easier to sit back, opine and pontificate.

Irish freight models and Silver Fox have both been the subject of criticism by some on this forum at various times, yet I and many other will agree that they provide models that suit many until (if) a superior model become available.

I have a TPO and some 1950s CIE-built coach models from IFM. They are not perfect and relatively expensive as they are run in smaller batches but as such they fulfill  a need for smaller groups and more niche modelling periods or models that cannot/have yet to be catered for by a larger/high quality manufacturer.

I would hope that that if (say) IRM were to produce a Mk3 they would not only do coaches but the EGV/DVT to complete a rake and spread the additional costs over set entire range of product rather than not competing the train.

This has been a problem in the past where you could purchase, say, a Lima Mk3 but no EGV to complete the train requiring the ability to model one yourself or commission one.

I suspect that the way the coaches are packaged would be a factor.

For example,  if the DVT is sold seperately, IRM may end up selling loads of the DVT's, and be left with coaches that don't move.

Whereas if they release two suburban bundles, one with a DVT and two coaches, another with three coaches to complement that, they don't end up with stock sitting around for ages.

They could run twice as many DVT bundles as non-DVT bundles, if they projected that sales would be as such.

I guess only they know themselves what is likely to work!

46 minutes ago, Noel said:

Agree with you SF is and always has been fine at 2ft. They had Irish RTR Coaching stock when nobody else had. Only some  rivit counters complained vociferously. John Hazleton did the hobby a favour and many folks happily run his stock on their Irish layouts.  A great pity SF have discontinued the mk3 suburban sets.

Sorry, Noel, I should have said earlier that Silver Fox seem to do things in batches.

When I first contacted them about the Mk3's, they said that they'd get back to me, and they did so a few months later. I got the DVT and two suburban coaches from them.

A few months after that, they were doing another batch, and I got some more suburban coaches and some EGV's.

I contacted them late last year or early this year regarding some C Classes, and they have just finished that batch, now.

It's possible that they'll do suburban sets if there is enough demand, and they can allocate time to do a batch.

Still, if IRM or MM or IRMMM are going to sneakily release some Mk3's and DVT's, that solves that problem!

It's a Silver Fox set. I know that SF is taboo for some, but standing a few feet back, they look grand.

Agreed, they'd be wonderful to go with the upcoming 121's.

DC Kits had a Mk3 DVT kit At one stage, but I think that's now out of stock.

5 minutes ago, DiveController said:

And there you have it.

@DJ Dangerous Now you have to decide on Mk3 OR Mk4s (no personal interest).

Both and you have to resell them to support your dialysis

@Noel If you have enough room for Mk2s you have enough room for Mk3s less one. I think the 6xxx series used for Push-Pull would also be very popular and ran in shorter rake.

Plenty of stations in Ireland where the train length exceeds the available platform length especially with specials and peak time strengthened trains, and that doesn't just apply to Mk3s

I'm sure I can find another unused organ to sell. A kidney for the Mk3's and a lung for the Mk4's?

My layout is only a board that slides under the bed, and i am happy running five or six Mk3's on it:

I'd sell a kidney for high standard Mk3's and Mk4's with the appropriate DVT's.

The real one!

At the risk of sounding cheeky, are there any photos of the progress of B134?

Probably simple supply and demand.

Models that are more scarce will "seem" more desirable.

The 141's are harder to find these days, so we pay a premium.

The NIR and grey 071's were limited runs (I think) so we pay a premium.

The Intercity 201's were early to sell out so command a premium.

Value is perceived by the buyer.

If an NIR 071 is worth three tippex 071's to a buyer, then they've set the models desirability level at that themselves.

Pretty sure that the NIR 201's were also smaller runs, so we can expect to see them go for crazy money in five years time.