DJ Dangerous

On 7/2/2020 at 12:58 PM, WRENNEIRE said:

I mentioned this before people!
The cost of a re run would be prohibitive because of the numbers involved
There are 18 various models with a run of 504 of each, over 9000 all told
this is just about the minimum run that could be made in order for MM to make a few bob
China at the moment wants bigger runs, so to do a run of 2000, your model would be costing in the €250 - €300 bracket or more depending on whether they would even entertain making the model or not

Not going to happen!

So the dream of an 071 re-run with 141/181 quality running and post-2015 variants available becomes a living nightmare, knowing that it'll never happen?

So the spray train as we know it is already gone?

Are IE in the process of replacing the weedkiller train with an MPV?

If not, what do they use the MPV for?

33 minutes ago, Noel said:

Your layout is a wonderful testament to that absorbing era. We were born in a similar era that was magical, diverse, and interesting.  Travelling on a train in that period was an assault on the senses as well as a visual feast. Intricate sidings and track work even at small stations, active goods sheds, always shunting going on somewhere, amazing rakes of stock in sidings, no passenger train had uniform rakes, nor goods trains before the ugly word 'freight' was invented. There was an interesting overlap between the loose coupled pick up, drop off goods trains and the beginning of containerisation with CIE's 1974 modernisation programme that saw modern era 42ft bogie stock. I remember travelling on trains that had a mix of green coaches, silver vans, and black and tan, laminates, park royals, before those modern Cravens with their plastic interiors and modern curved ends arrived. Watching goods trains being marshalled in Galway marshalling yard was a memory still etched in my brain, aside from the visual, the clanking, banging, buffering and banter between shunting men and drivers, the noise of marshalling conveyed activity, goods being transported, loaded and unloaded, passenger trains stopping in stations, people getting in and out followed by coach door slams progressively down the train, followed by a guards whistle and a green flag wave, the horn and EMD notching up like a jet engine as the train slowly started to move off, followed by the resonant rail clank as each axle crossed a rail joint. Compare that to the dull hum of todays plastic toy DMU yo-yo ICRs with nothing to see out of the window except overgrown greenery where once were busy marshalling yards, sidings and head shunts, goods sheds bricked up with dilapidated guttering falling victim to weather ingress, mould and uncontrolled vegetation on the roofs slowly ebbing away our disappearing built railway heritage. Hey ho, progress I suppose, but boy travelling on trains nowadays your more likely to see something of interest on netflix on an iPad than out the wind even passing through a large station complex.

Are you my Dad, by any chance?

34 minutes ago, Andy Cundick said:

Apparently,Andy

That's OK, I must be a newborn.

2 hours ago, Andy Cundick said:

Not quite sure how that leaves me with modelling 1850's GWR Broad gauge through to 1950's County Donegal via 1900's Highland and North British ,1930s Great Southern not to mention the four irish and Welsh narrow gauge layoutsannd i won't mention the Rhodesian locos(Salisbury loco shed anyone?) Andy.

Are you two hundred years old, by any chance?

6 hours ago, Mayner said:

Most of the younger (perhaps under 60 ) members of this group appear to prefer the IE points era which many of the older generation thought the railways had gone to pot with fixed formation goods and passenger trains and the railway system at breaking point with de-railments and breakdowns.

A 2 car 2600/2800 set or DART or 3 Car IRC and an oval of track would be an excellent start for as a first serious train set for a pre-teen or teenager entering the hobby for the first time. Rail has a far higher profile with more people using the train as part of their day to day routine than in the past 50-60 years.

Having operated a Minories style exhibition layout I don't buy into the argument that DMUs are necessary boring to operate. Operating a busy city terminus with railcars kept 3 operators busy enough without the additional work involved in running round and shunting a loco hauled passenger train---------just like the real thing!

Rail has a far higher profile... Is that a pun?

As an under-sixty, at least on paper, I'd agree that the IR to IE changeover seems to be the era that interests many enthusiasts of my age.

My thinking at the moment is that the nostalgia isn't fixed to a particular era, though. What seems new and uninteresting today will not necessarily seem so twenty or thirty years from now, hence my desire to be able to run a 2020 layout.

In twenty or thirty years time, Noel may be complaining about hydrogen powered flying DART's, and reminiscing on how lovely it was to have ICR's to marshall in a yard instead of floating around in the boring old sky.

Interesting to read what Iarnrod and Railer say about the 071's and the 111's - that even those models don't accurately reflect the operations of today due to changes that have occured.

Even if the grey 071's and the NIR 111's WEREN'T sold out and unavailable, it would be hard accurately model 2020.

Thank you!

1 minute ago, WRENNEIRE said:

The usual 504 of each model

Sorry, silly question, but why 504 instead of a round number like 500?

For packaging reasons or something?

1 minute ago, DiveController said:

Oh well that's a shame. There's no real stock warning on preorders, I suppose. 124 & 134 are not really my era but would have liked to get one of each. Maybe Marks.

Haven't been on here in a couple of weeks. I'm just happy to be alive after a recent health issue so I'll live with it in the literal sense 

Glad you're OK, DC.

Hit by a train, I assume?

6 minutes ago, iarnrod said:

The MM 071 is an excellent model, but MM have none left in their warehouse, so its basically a case of checking what stockists have left in stock, ebay or the various model shows if you are after a particular model.

The MM model accurately reflects the class until the end of 2015 detail wise, but would not be entirely protypical for the real locos in their current specification. 

MM no. 071 was released in both CIE and engineers silver and black livery?

Damn it, then those two are pretty high on the desirability list!

134 also sold out!

That's phenomenal!

2 minutes ago, iarnrod said:

The livery on the MM 088 loco is probably far too light a shade of colour as the real 071's, when delivered, had a more brownish tint to their paint colour than the CIE tan used on everything else that was black and tan at that time.

That makes sense, thank you!

4 minutes ago, iarnrod said:

All 071 Class locos carried IR livery during the IR period and for a time in the IE period.

The 073 model reflects the loco in the IR period. The main differences in it's current condition  being the marker lights, removal of cab handrails and handbrake wheel.

Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. I was asking if they were the only two 071 models in the IR livery, following on from the theme of the most desirable MM locos.

1 minute ago, iarnrod said:

Don't confuse the model liveries with the real things. When the 071's were delivered, they were in a different shade to the Mk.2's, but when they were repainted at Inchicore, they then matched the current CIE liveried coaches and locos.

There has been much debate on here about the orange shade used on the MM Mk.2's being incorrect. The MM Mk.2's should match the livery shade on 086, but are more akin to the orange shade used on carriages and locos in IR and IE period.

Thank you, I have been confusing the models and real life.

That makes complete sense what you say about the Mk2D colour.

Fert and keg accessory packs already sold out!

Is that it, like no more runs of them?

Were 073 and 080 the only IR liveried 071's?

Does the 073 model reflect her original IR configuration or her current one?

So, the 071's were delivered in the wrong livery, more or less.

When repainted, were they in a different shade to the SuperTrain coaches?

To my eye, the "wrong" livery looks closer to the ST coaches than the ST livery?

Are MM's 112 and 8113 models reflective of how the real locos looks today?

Has 112 been abandoned and left to rust away?

6 hours ago, ttc0169 said:

Not gonna happen jhb....more chance of getting a 2600 railcar into original Arrow livery and locomotive 234 repainted into its original as delivered livery....

How about having 234 painted in the "tippex" IE livery?

Now that would be simply stunning!

P.S.: Happy 75th anniversary, CIE.

36 minutes ago, mphoey said:

i know you cant say how many but can a warning countdown be put on each loco as numbers drop like the wagons from last 25 lets say or so

That'd be a very handy budgeting tool.

Wow, so the ICR's would be ubiquitous enough for anybody modelling current day operations, no matter where on the island!

Yes, very true, Chris offers some wonderful repaints - I picked up a silver and black 231 from him through a misunderstanding, and am richer for it!

Do the ICR's run over the whole network, except for the Enterprise route?

1 minute ago, leslie10646 said:

Compliments, DJ,

I had no idea that with the abundance of riches IRM and St Patrick had produced that you could only replicate the non-passenger side of IE.

Eoin won't like me saying this, but if back in the day Lima could produce a model of the standard South African Railways EMU, you would think that the Irish modelling market was worth a punt at a two car DART? Does nothing out of the Japanese market come close to the Japanese DARTS?

Obviously an ICR is overdue!

Now, back to 1950s .........

I was lucky enough to pick up two IC 201's and a 231 repaint, but even those were scarce enough. At least I can run some Spoil and Tara Mines trains!

ICR's are definitely overdue to fill the passenger void!

So motive power and passenger stock are notably absent, more or less?

9 minutes ago, iarnrod said:

A new run of the current liveried 201's and an updated 071 Class model would be very welcome.

Majority of the flat wagons on the current liner trains are the 47' version, with only a small number of the 42' version used for this purpose.

Hopefully, the next batch of IRM announcements might have something for the current scene in it.

Yes, it would be nice to be able to pick up some of today's locos!