DJ Dangerous

2 minutes ago, RedRich said:

This is an interesting thread. What I am finding is that the larger majority of folk in here are happy with a particular level of detail and accuracy in their loco, wagon, or coach. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I am a bit more zealous in that department myself than most but that's my choice. I will mention one area on the model that really should have been sorted before it was signed off is it should have flush glazing on the cab front. Hopefully it will be flush on the planned releases. It shouldn't be difficult.

I have huge respect for PM and the 121, 141-181, 071, classes are fantastic models. The Cravens are still one of the best models of a coach available in this scale. How many of you on getting a model compare it to the  prototype by looking at lots of photos in your collection or on line. Many pics we see of locos don't show the underframe in full side on, but there are hundreds on flickr.

Over the last two years the 121 and A Class models have reached heights that have once more raised the bar and both manufacturer's deserve all the praise they are getting. 

However they don't always get it right. The pre production pics give us all an opportunity to offer our opinion and it is well received by PM and IRM  If someone buys a model and finds there are discrepancies or mistakes he is 100 percent entitled to say so.

I have three 201's myself and my opinion is that they don't reach the heights the others do. There are many ways to take them up a level especially the underframe. Add Salem air drying filters, and pipes from brass rod to represent those on the prototype. The fuel tanks are a wee bit naked but some pieces of evergreen styrene can make a huge difference. The air reservoir air tanks are a bit slimmer than they should be 

Anyone wanting to look at pics for inspiration and having a go at adding these details shouldn't be singled out with the old rivet counter moniker. Surely it is a huge part of our hobby we do call ourselves modellers after all.

Rich,

 

 

Rivet counting isn't a bad thing, as it will ultimately drive up standards for future models. Eventually, you'll hit diminishing marginal returns, where it's not feasable to invest beyond a certain point to reach a certain level of detail, and that's when the bespoke modellers take over.

However, when a poster says the following with nothing to back it up, you have to question the post and ask for more info.

On 9/12/2021 at 8:56 PM, connollystn said:

Not a fan of the Murpby Models 201. Doesn't capture the character of the prototype due to obvious inaccuraracies. Consodering what the guys at I.R.M. did with the A class would much prefer them to do an up-to-date mode of the 201(new).

I haven't yet seen anything to support the statement that the model doesn't capture the character of the prototype.

If we were talking about the Lima 201's, then fine, the bogies and undercarriages are very wierd on them, but the next generation MM201's were not a poor model at all.

53 minutes ago, murphaph said:

And it happened overnight too because I only started buying Irish stuff last summer and I managed to get all the tippex 071s and the 3 NIR ones at "normal" prices. Nowadays I could not justify buying a single 071 at these prices. I would just have to wait until MM does a re-run or "some one else" does a new version at some point over the coming years.

It's IRM's fault for bringing out so much magnificent rolling stock. In theory, they OWE us more 071's!

Wow, received some blue Tara's in the post today! Outstanding wagons, they really look excellent. The Ferts and the original G2 Tara's stoodout as excellent wagons, but these take it to a higher level. Well done lads!

A bit late, but Merry Christmas to everybody on the forum, even the assholes.

I'm a bit late, but thank you IRM, and the IRM forum members, for a wonderful year of joy!

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you all.

P.S.: 27 degrees due on December 31st, so you know where you should be!

On 25/12/2021 at 11:51 PM, railfan222 said:

There are indeed a number of modelling inaccuracies on the Murphy Models 201s:

1: NIR 208 and 209 in NIR blue: The marker lights on the real life 208 and 209 when they were blue were the same original marker lights as the other IE 201s. The 2014 released models of 208 and 209 in NIR blue show the locos with the rectangle shaped LED markers which first appeared on all 201s (including 208 and 209) from 2000 onwards with the last 201 upgraded to have rectangle shaped LED markers in 2003.

Also inaccurate on Murphy Models 208 & 209 is the postion of the AAR socket for push-pull working and multiple loco working. When all IE and NIR 201s were delivered, the AAR socket used to be down on the skirt. From 1996-1997 all 201s had the AAR socket re-positioned to just next to the headlight. I am pretty sure 208 and 209 only ever got their AAR sockets re-positioned from the skirt to right beside the headlight when the 2 NIR locos were repainted from NIR blue into the IE/NIR Enterprise livery.

2: The models of 233 incorrectly show her with purple thumbnails instead of the current pink thumbnails. Of interest is that the pink thumbnails of the original Enterprise  livery was applied to both the  Enterprise 201s and the Standard Class De Detrich coaches.

3: Murphy Models MM0201 was released with her sockets right next to the headlights. In real life 201 and 204 still have their sockets (the AARs) still in the original postion.

 

Murphy Models have to date released models of the 201s made by Kader Holdings with some locos with their footsteps below the marker lights open and some closed. Aswell as with the rectangle shaped LED marker lights. The different marker lights worn by the 201s is as follows.

 

1: Original 1994 marker lights. Between 2000-2003 these were replaced with LED markers.

2: Rectangle shaped marker LED lights: These started to appear on all IE and NIR locos from 2000 onwards.

3: Oval shaped LED markers: These appeared for the first time in 2014 when 8209 came out of Inchicore. The oval shaped marker lights began to be put on all IE and NIR 201s between 2014-2018 with 229 being the last to get the oval shaped LED markers.

 

Regards Kian O'Leary.

Excellent information, but I would hardly consider any of those niggles as "obvious", and I cannot see how they leave a model which fails to capture the character of the prototype. The MM 201 was and is an awesome model.

If you need somebody to store the layout for you, I'm happy to volunteer!

3 hours ago, BosKonay said:

Who knows what the future will bring. It reminds me of the Lima 201 days. 

It'll presumably bring a B&I ferry, KC and KD Dublin Buses, IRM 071's, 141's and Mk4 rakes! Oh, and obviously 47' Flats.

Well, the grey 071 re-sprays finally arrived today! The pandemic has slowed Chris Dyer down, and his painter, Tony, seems to be flat out. Well worth the wait, really impressed with these three!

I'd say there'll be a few happy modellers who missed out on the last batch!

I have set filters up for both irishrailwaymodeller.com and irishrailwaymodels.com, making sure that mails from those domains never get sent to SPAM. However, it's not that the email notifications are going to SPAM, they're just not arriving at all.

I just ship British eBay stuff to a friend in the UK. He brings a suitcase down here every now and then, which I pay for, and that works out way cheaper. eBay's GSP often quotes more for shipping than the item itself costs, so it's just not worth it.

Hi Guys.

Just wondering if the site is having issues with email notifications at the moment?

I'm not receiving email notifications of private messages or thread updates the past couple of days.

I've checked my notification settings here on the forum and they are definitely correct.

I've also checked my SPAM folder, and the odd email does end up in there alright, but nothing at all the past few days.

Thaks!

Sure why bother with clouds?

All you need is a nice winter blue like this morning:

The video won't play properly for me.

Audio only, just a white screen for the video.

Happens from time to time - somebody mentioned before that Apple or QuickTime uploads are problematic?

Upload the video to YouTube and then share the link here and more people will be able to see what the problem with the couplers is.

5 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

Dang. So Leo Martin has them........

Yeah, he's livin' la vida loca with them all.

9 minutes ago, flange lubricator said:

I'm waiting to see the National Treasury Management Agency buying A classes at this rate !

Where do you think all of the NIR 111 Class went???

On 20/12/2021 at 12:35 PM, BosKonay said:

Roll on some Irish Steam!

What's all this then???

On 20/12/2021 at 2:17 PM, Warbonnet said:

God no, we never give anything away!

Except on Black Friday, you mean...

Yeah, as @murphaph says, I think that @LMSNCC means that they'd have to buy more than one set of each, F, G or H, to create a prototypical-length rake.

Renumbering, or weathering via somebody like @Dempsey and obscuring some of the digits would also work.

That's the beauty of the debate on the free market vs. price gouging...

It's easy to see both sides of the debate.

A3R was a very limited run, for a good cause.

Many folk lost out as they sold out so fast. If you'd lost out to another enthusiast, you woudn't mind so much, as it's still gone to a good home, and the money went to a good cause, but if you lost out because somebody bought it solely to sell for double the price a month later, you'd feel hard done by.

At the same time, I bought a few A3R's, three of which will be gifts next year.

Looking at those prices, I feel sick NOT auctioning them off to fund the charity. I could pay for a lot of operations with an extra €400, or probably two or three weeks worth of food and medicines.

Two sides of the same coin. Somebody will always feel aggrieved at losing out, somebody will always be looking to make a profit no matter the cost.

Any chance of hearing the two chips in a single video to compare?

If you post the link to where the photo is published online, maybe somebody will know who the author is.

25 minutes ago, K801 said:

How many of them did CIE have?

 

Wow! So they'd make for good respray candidates?

Received another parcel, A3R now added to the collection!

2 hours ago, NIRCLASS80 said:

That one was mine DJ. I decided to off load a couple as I have too many!  That’s the last one now.  Reinvested in IRM already!

I can't imagine anything better to invest in!