DJ Dangerous

8 hours ago, connollystn said:

@DJ Dangerous - Can't see a RTR model of the 22 000 being produced this side of my 70th birthday.

Not if your 70th is this year anyway! Boskonay said a year from samples to sales, so no samples means no sales.

Still, he also said that there may be a "powered" announcement this year. My money is on a 2600, which would be frikkin' awesome, and would leave me closer to being homeless, but we could be even luckier if it turns out to be a 22000.

1 hour ago, murphaph said:

I'm waiting for the punchline Connolly!

Ah Noel it's not fair to lay into stuff you personally don't find interesting, just because. Let's look at the 201 for a second. You said it is like a peat briquette because it's not an interesting shape like the other GMs but the Sulzers, A and C classes were also flat sided locos but I know you love the A's and would presumably buy a Sulzer in B&T if one was available. I think you just don't find these things aesthetically appealing but it seems it's mostly to do with age and your associated memories. But you need to appreciate that you are laying into the memories of the 15 year old modeller on here who doesn't remember a 121 or a Craven in service nevermind an A Class and I'm too young to remember anything much before IR and I'm "only" 43.

I think we should count our lucky stars we still have a railway. Freight might just make a comeback due to the green agenda coming to the fore and as freight virtually disappeared from most of the network in the mid 2000's it's the yo yo passenger yokes that have effectively kept the remaining network operational due to being reasonably cost effective to operate, so let's not be too hard on them eh?

 

Agreed, it IS bashing of everybody elses opinions, constantly at that, and it's inappropriate.

It also leads to conflict. When people are goaded enough with the constant knocking of their opinions, they'll eventually retalliate and lash out in return, possibly lambasting the old stuff from before their time, that they don't remember.

Then, one posts a survey to ask what people would buy, multiple choice options, and because of ones own negativity, those who may have bought stuff from previous eras now say no way, only my era.

1 hour ago, Noel said:

Yea fair cop to a degree, but...

But nothing!

It's exactly the same operationally. Back and forth, no points required, only a circle of track required to run them etc.

Hoping that we see a RTR 22000 some time soon.

15 minutes ago, Westcorkrailway said:

22k’s and 29k’s are the Backbone of what’s working at the moment, if I’m correct the 27k is what Bachman made a variant of before (weather accurate or not, I’m not sure). 22k’s don’t have an accurate representation in Modelling yet, but since they have not been in service for too long, I think waiting another while for those locos to pick up nostalgic momentum is a better idea. Chris Dier makes a few of these Multiple units in RTR. Not much use to a child, buts there for us lot!

The Bachmann sets were British Class 158's re-painted into a 2600-ish livery.

Chris Dyer's 29000's are three car British Class 166's repainted into Irish liveries. I have two of these on the way from Chris, but both are four-car units, not three-car units.

On 27/1/2022 at 9:52 PM, Westcorkrailway said:

 

 

Looks good the lighting from this fish tank gives a unique look at the locos finish! 

 

Something I saw on Facebook marketplace that may be good for fiddle yards of this approximate era. somone is doing kits for the gantry that was once at Tralee. 

 

Did yer man fall off the gantry or what?

2 hours ago, murphaph said:

Surely T-ara take that honour given the origin of these units 

Jesus, that's scarily niche knowledge there... What are you hiding?

1 hour ago, warb said:

23/24 years ago Marks Models was producing resin kits to scale i.e. 141's/201's way above what was being produced at the time.

I vaguely remember the resin 201 bodies in Marks, but can't remember the 141 / 181 bodies.

1 hour ago, RedRich said:

I think a 22k would also attract younger kids to the hobby. Most people model their favorite era and if a 22k or 2900 are what bring the next generation to the hobby everyone's a winner 

Rich

And the rest! Anybody wanting to get into railway modelling, Irish or otherwise, will look for something familiar, either what they see today, or what they remember from their youth. A multiple unit is also a very cost effective way of getting a model railway running, as a three-car unit is likely to be cheaper than a loco and two coaches.

13 minutes ago, JasonB said:

I have all of the Spice Girls albums. Again, some like them, most probably don't.

Wow, you and Noel have something in common!

Not me, I was more of a Girls Aloud fan. They were the 22000's of the pop girl bands...

Can't wait for a RTR 22000 to go with my 29000's!

52 minutes ago, railfan222 said:

Is Boskonay one of the team members at IRM?

 

Will Paddy Murphy really be releasing models of Cravens again and the BR Van/GSV?

 

Regards Kian.

Yes, Boskonay is one of them, so be careful what you write or you'll be blacklisted by IRM... Do not sell to this guy!

Regarding Cravens, the opening post in this thread reads as follows:

On 1/3/2021 at 2:01 PM, mphoey said:

just got this from facebook if its genuine which i believe its going to be great for us

Great news from Paddy Murphy !!

 

201 Class locomotives

There will be short production runs of the 201 Class locomotive in three different liveries. These will be the most recent Enterprise livery, the interim Black & Silver 'Raccoon' livery and the Intercity green/silver livery with the current IE logo. Exact schedule is not available at present but it is hoped late 2021/first half 2022. Because of the small quantities involved, these will be allocated to model shops on a fair Pro-rata basis.

Mk2d Air-conditioned stock

The next release of these coaches will be produced in IR livery. Versions will be Full First, Composite, Standard, Restaurant and EGV. In addition, to complement the existing EGV and Restaurant stock, Standard class coaches in the 'Galway' livery will also be produced. Minor adjustments will be made to existing tooling where necessary. Similar schedule to Class 201.

Mk3 stock

It is over 20 years ago since Murphy Models last produced ready to run Irish Mk3 stock. It is planned to release a brand-new range of CIE, IR and IE Mk3 coaches featuring all new tooling incorporating all the unique features of the Irish Mk3. This will include items such as plug doors. Proposed versions across the liveries will be- EGV, First, Composite, City-Gold, Restaurant, Standard and Executive.

It is also planned to produce the suburban version of the Mk3 with the hopper windows as well as the push-pull driving trailer.

Craven

I am also considering a new production of Craven coaches. This is subject to there being enough interest to make such a project economically viable.

So yes, Cravens would seem to be in consideration.

The chronological order has not yet been released, but I'd suspect that Mk2D coaches will be the first of thecoach releases, as they were a definite in the OP, and do not require tooling from the ground up like the Mk3's.

IRM have raised the bar with their Mk2 B/C range, so Murphy Models will probably be tweaking the future products a little, but that's only heresay, not fact.

Interesting thoughts on the whole Chinese manufacturing topic. At the end of the day, we as purchasers of these models have to accept that to continue receiving models of this standard, for these prices, without accepting a drastic drop in our own living standards, HAVE to take advantage of somebody, be it the Taiwanese, the Chinese, or whoever comes next...

And there will be a "next" at some stage.

China's economic conditions will eventually improve to the point where they lose that competitive edge, and manufacturing will move somewhere else.

Living in Las Canarias, I can tell you that €800 a month for a 40 plus hour week is considered normal to good. Minimum wage is something like €650 per month. Even at €800 a month for 40 odd hours, that's €185 per week, or around €4,50 per hour.

There's the downside of somebody having to invest heavily in setting up manufacturing, in training the staff and allowing them gain experience, but this is already happening in Spain. Fifteen years ago, all of the plastic bric a brac crap sold here was made in China. Now, it's all made up in Spain, where wages are even higher than Las Canarias.

Then there's the upside of production still being waaaaaay cheaper than it would be in a first world place like Ireland, and everything being a lot closer to home. No more of this "it's on the other side of the world" when there's a problem - it's less than four hours on a flight here nowadays.

I suspect that at some stage over the coming years, we're going to see legislation designed to protect European jobs, by making it harder and more expensive to use cheap labour from lower wage economies. It may not be a case of production moving to Afghanistan or India because it's cheaper, it may be Bulgaria or wherever because it's the cheapest place with access to sell those products, whatever they may be, in Europe.

The Chinese bubble will definitely burst over the coming years, I'm sure everybody can agree on that.

Let's hope that IRM don't see that or they may decide to run some 121's before their 071's and 141's...

So, today's posters are basically saying that DC Kits are honest face to face but will shaft you if you buy online? Jesus, that's even worse than just being a bad retailer.

And all of this crap about a Yorkshire attitude? Just stop now. Nobody wants their arse kissed. I just expect honest, clear, concise communication, not being ignored...

And as for being rude, it's acceptable once it's honest. If I ask you to confirm that something on your website genuinely is in stock because I know what your track record is, and you reply with "Check the website" or something similar, that's fine... Once it's honest.

Can't believe that todays posters are painting a picture of a trader who will take advantage of anybody that he doesn't meet face to face. Shocking.

DC Kits are an absolute joke.

Orders charged but not processed, VAT not refunded, random substitute products sent, absolutely awful communication, or none at all, still waiting for my last refund and have just given up. Plus, Charlie is as rude, ignorant and impolite as can be.

Again, I have given up, I don't give a shit about what he owes me, the time that I have lost is worth more than the money.

Old Blarney, if you love him, good for you, but don't be blabbering on here ragging anybody who he has treated like crap.

Like murphaph, my main regret is not posting sooner to warn other members.

I wouldn't normally post public criticism, specially for a one mand band, but this band is so far out if tune that it's not funny.

It's obvious that his earnings come from another source, as he doesn't give a damn about his retail customers.

Again, for me, I've written off what he owes me, I'm not wasting any more time.

On 28/12/2021 at 2:02 PM, seagoebox said:

A couple of pictures of the fuel oil train from the Alexander Road depot at the oil siding at Inchicore

007 on 5th March 1990, note the health & safety conscious guard has lit the stove in his van next the engine!

181 on 1st July 1992 with the fuel tanks behind the loco, by this time the guards van ceased to be used, the guard travelled in the  loco cab.

When did 007 get the IR logos and the "S" suffix?

https://irishrailwaymodels.com/collections/locomotives/products/007-a-class-locomotive

5 hours ago, Georgeconna said:

The missus had the only fans set up at the time.

 

George, you're an "Only Fans" performer? Never thought you had it in you.

Just to update the mods, I received an email earlier, just the one, telling me that somebody had "reacted" to a post of mine. I've never received an email like that before.

I'm still not receiving email notificationsof private messages or new posts on threads that I follow.

2 minutes ago, RedRich said:

This is an interesting thread. What I am finding is that the larger majority of folk in here are happy with a particular level of detail and accuracy in their loco, wagon, or coach. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I am a bit more zealous in that department myself than most but that's my choice. I will mention one area on the model that really should have been sorted before it was signed off is it should have flush glazing on the cab front. Hopefully it will be flush on the planned releases. It shouldn't be difficult.

I have huge respect for PM and the 121, 141-181, 071, classes are fantastic models. The Cravens are still one of the best models of a coach available in this scale. How many of you on getting a model compare it to the  prototype by looking at lots of photos in your collection or on line. Many pics we see of locos don't show the underframe in full side on, but there are hundreds on flickr.

Over the last two years the 121 and A Class models have reached heights that have once more raised the bar and both manufacturer's deserve all the praise they are getting. 

However they don't always get it right. The pre production pics give us all an opportunity to offer our opinion and it is well received by PM and IRM  If someone buys a model and finds there are discrepancies or mistakes he is 100 percent entitled to say so.

I have three 201's myself and my opinion is that they don't reach the heights the others do. There are many ways to take them up a level especially the underframe. Add Salem air drying filters, and pipes from brass rod to represent those on the prototype. The fuel tanks are a wee bit naked but some pieces of evergreen styrene can make a huge difference. The air reservoir air tanks are a bit slimmer than they should be 

Anyone wanting to look at pics for inspiration and having a go at adding these details shouldn't be singled out with the old rivet counter moniker. Surely it is a huge part of our hobby we do call ourselves modellers after all.

Rich,

 

 

Rivet counting isn't a bad thing, as it will ultimately drive up standards for future models. Eventually, you'll hit diminishing marginal returns, where it's not feasable to invest beyond a certain point to reach a certain level of detail, and that's when the bespoke modellers take over.

However, when a poster says the following with nothing to back it up, you have to question the post and ask for more info.

On 9/12/2021 at 8:56 PM, connollystn said:

Not a fan of the Murpby Models 201. Doesn't capture the character of the prototype due to obvious inaccuraracies. Consodering what the guys at I.R.M. did with the A class would much prefer them to do an up-to-date mode of the 201(new).

I haven't yet seen anything to support the statement that the model doesn't capture the character of the prototype.

If we were talking about the Lima 201's, then fine, the bogies and undercarriages are very wierd on them, but the next generation MM201's were not a poor model at all.

53 minutes ago, murphaph said:

And it happened overnight too because I only started buying Irish stuff last summer and I managed to get all the tippex 071s and the 3 NIR ones at "normal" prices. Nowadays I could not justify buying a single 071 at these prices. I would just have to wait until MM does a re-run or "some one else" does a new version at some point over the coming years.

It's IRM's fault for bringing out so much magnificent rolling stock. In theory, they OWE us more 071's!

Wow, received some blue Tara's in the post today! Outstanding wagons, they really look excellent. The Ferts and the original G2 Tara's stoodout as excellent wagons, but these take it to a higher level. Well done lads!

A bit late, but Merry Christmas to everybody on the forum, even the assholes.

I'm a bit late, but thank you IRM, and the IRM forum members, for a wonderful year of joy!

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you all.

P.S.: 27 degrees due on December 31st, so you know where you should be!

On 25/12/2021 at 11:51 PM, railfan222 said:

There are indeed a number of modelling inaccuracies on the Murphy Models 201s:

1: NIR 208 and 209 in NIR blue: The marker lights on the real life 208 and 209 when they were blue were the same original marker lights as the other IE 201s. The 2014 released models of 208 and 209 in NIR blue show the locos with the rectangle shaped LED markers which first appeared on all 201s (including 208 and 209) from 2000 onwards with the last 201 upgraded to have rectangle shaped LED markers in 2003.

Also inaccurate on Murphy Models 208 & 209 is the postion of the AAR socket for push-pull working and multiple loco working. When all IE and NIR 201s were delivered, the AAR socket used to be down on the skirt. From 1996-1997 all 201s had the AAR socket re-positioned to just next to the headlight. I am pretty sure 208 and 209 only ever got their AAR sockets re-positioned from the skirt to right beside the headlight when the 2 NIR locos were repainted from NIR blue into the IE/NIR Enterprise livery.

2: The models of 233 incorrectly show her with purple thumbnails instead of the current pink thumbnails. Of interest is that the pink thumbnails of the original Enterprise  livery was applied to both the  Enterprise 201s and the Standard Class De Detrich coaches.

3: Murphy Models MM0201 was released with her sockets right next to the headlights. In real life 201 and 204 still have their sockets (the AARs) still in the original postion.

 

Murphy Models have to date released models of the 201s made by Kader Holdings with some locos with their footsteps below the marker lights open and some closed. Aswell as with the rectangle shaped LED marker lights. The different marker lights worn by the 201s is as follows.

 

1: Original 1994 marker lights. Between 2000-2003 these were replaced with LED markers.

2: Rectangle shaped marker LED lights: These started to appear on all IE and NIR locos from 2000 onwards.

3: Oval shaped LED markers: These appeared for the first time in 2014 when 8209 came out of Inchicore. The oval shaped marker lights began to be put on all IE and NIR 201s between 2014-2018 with 229 being the last to get the oval shaped LED markers.

 

Regards Kian O'Leary.

Excellent information, but I would hardly consider any of those niggles as "obvious", and I cannot see how they leave a model which fails to capture the character of the prototype. The MM 201 was and is an awesome model.

If you need somebody to store the layout for you, I'm happy to volunteer!

3 hours ago, BosKonay said:

Who knows what the future will bring. It reminds me of the Lima 201 days. 

It'll presumably bring a B&I ferry, KC and KD Dublin Buses, IRM 071's, 141's and Mk4 rakes! Oh, and obviously 47' Flats.

Well, the grey 071 re-sprays finally arrived today! The pandemic has slowed Chris Dyer down, and his painter, Tony, seems to be flat out. Well worth the wait, really impressed with these three!

I'd say there'll be a few happy modellers who missed out on the last batch!

I have set filters up for both irishrailwaymodeller.com and irishrailwaymodels.com, making sure that mails from those domains never get sent to SPAM. However, it's not that the email notifications are going to SPAM, they're just not arriving at all.