Johnny B. Good

That’s such a shame Colin! That one photo above is from the Bristol museum - maybe they have more related to it? (Sorry I hate taking no for an answer!) John

Hi Colin, You probably have these already but just on the off chance you don’t, the first three from Rowland’s book. The last is from New Irish Lines. The carriages all seem to have been made by Bristol CW & Company, and I’d be surprised if they did not manufacture similar or identical carriages for lines in Britain? I haven’t gotten the chance yet but I’ve been meaning to look into that company and what other lines they manufactured carriages for as I’d imagine there’d by way more photos for carriages of contemporary lines in the UK. And with all the railway societies, etc. maybe someone somewhere has a lot more photos or drawings of these.

I know this was posted awhile ago but I just saw these on eBay - maybe they’d be of use? https://www.ebay.com/itm/171797279592?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=6xtRIJjQTcW&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=mP3JiGpWQ8C&var=470740089404&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

As you guys say - fair play to ya - your models are fantastic Mayner! I’m hoping to get one of these soon!

I found this photo on another thread where it was said that this is GS&WR horse box. Is that right?:

Just found another interesting photo from Ernie’s archive collection (I hope you don’t mind if so please just delete). But it’s a great side view of a cart and it’s loading/unloading a train!!

So Jonathan if I focus on making/getting the centre canvas vans, cattle trucks and 5 plank wagons, my next question is just: was there any uniformity in length, width or wheel distance with these three? Some cattle trucks look huge and others look smaller to me. And some model kits (like Slater’s) the dimensions between different types seem identical. Were the roofed vans the same as the canvas vans just with a full roof? And did the GS&WR have a unique Horsebox? Thanks, John

Hi Guys, I hope you are all well. In my slow but continuing research into the GS&WR I came up with a question I thought I’d ask you experts: I’m trying to come up with a list of what you might have seen on any given day pre-GSR days. So so far this is my list and apologies if I’m not using the right names for them all: Centre Canvas Goods vans Cattle wagons 5 plank (coal?) wagons 3 plank wagons? 2 plank wagons Brake van (thank you Leslie! Lol) Hopper wagons Petrol tankers. JB had told me that starting out I should concentrate on getting the first 3 above (as that was what you’d probably see most often), and I have. But something just got me thinking recently what else you might have seen coming down the tracks back then. Like for example would you have seen dairy tankers? I know in places like Kerry the milk was brought to the local creamery but from there was it loaded onto tankers? I did try to find a list like this somewhere online but couldn’t. But, a while back Mayner gave me a great explanation about the Petrol tankers so I just thought ask about others here. All the best, John

Thanks Mayner I’ll give him a call. John

I know this is a long shot but I’m looking for the T&D locomotive kit that used to be available. The T&D horsebox as well. Thanks, Johnny

Mayner, I’m sure I’m being more than a bit dense here but are you saying that you can convert this model: into something looking more like this model?: I’m only asking because I would also like to get a model that’s more typical of the period 1900-1927, and I just found a cheap Airfix a model I could get! Johnny

Hi Colin and Martin, I’ve taken a long time to try and respond and I apologize but there was one book I had that I just couldn’t find until yesterday and I needed it for this. So here are a bunch of photos I’ve collected over time because I’ve been interested in this for modeling purposes too. I tried to get them in some kind of coherent order for you but didn’t quite make is But as you can see it looks like there was a basic flat platform with 2 uniquely carved beams. But then it looks like you could add side boards and or a back board as well as needed it. My layout is in Kerry and there are different breeds of cows but the one most unique to Kerry are...Kerry Cattle (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerry_cattle) There are Holsteins and all that but for my cattle drive I just used black cows because Kerry Cattle are black. I’ve used Langley models for a cart they have one that if you leave the front board off is pretty close to the Irish version. I’d like to try that blue one below from dart castings. Just have to modify the beams. The last one from Shipyard I just found I’ve never heard of them before but again it looks pretty close with the front removed. l hope these pics, as late as they are, help.

Really amazing stuff Alan!! Do you mind if I ask what (brand? I guess) you used for the mold and resin casting? I’ve been thinking of doing something similar but I’ve tried resin casting before (with non-train models), with mixed results.

I don’t know if you’re still looking for answers to these (as it was 2021) but if you are I may have some info for you that might help. Johnny

Hi guys, I hope you’re all doing well. My little Kerry railway line is coming along like a loco going up Mt. Brandon lol. Just a quick question since, again, I’m totally clueless…I got the Alphagraphix GSWR canvas van, and put it together and I just wanted to ask (thinking maybe someone here has made these) what kind of under carriage should I use on these? I have a 7 plank wagon which broke off the base and putting the Alphagraphix model on top of that it looks like a perfect fit. So I’m wondering what kit would match that. Do you think this kit would work: Thanks again for your help, Johnny

I’m really sorry I only now just saw this….yes I’d definitely like to get that but do you mean an actual model of it or something similar like this. (I know this isn’t a great example but): For now I’m trying to do this buying used stuff that’s close but not exact. Though someday I would like to get the authentic models. Johnny

That sounds good! Lol

Thanks again everyone for your help. My next question would be track and power. I’m in the U.S. and there’s tons of used HO track out there and I know OO can run on HO but are OO trains compatible with the power systems used by HO trains?

That’s great! Thanks for all your help or I would never have even spotted these when I was surfing the web. Thanks Galteemore, that’s how I’ll go about it then.

Yes, very helpful thank you. I just came across these after I had posted and - they’re in crimson lake - would any of these be any good for a GSWR train? https://railwaymodels.uk/product-hattons-h4-46pack-501l-pack-of-4-coaches-6bt-4x6cl-6t-6t-in-lms-crimson-lake-with-working-lighting

Yeah! I’d love to see those. I have some more complete newbie questions and again I apologize because I have looked all through posts on this forum and you guys really do this on an amazing, professional level really. So you had said: “If it is four coaches, there's: a first, second, and two thirds and a full brake… or a first, second, third and brake third.” Can you tell me what the difference is between a full brake and a brake third? Another thing is, when looking at coaches I see 1st and 3rd class coaches but I never seem to see a “2nd class” coach - would it just look like a 1st or 3rd class with “2”’s on it? Or is it if there’s a 3rd class car after 1st and before another 3rd, then that car is “2nd”? I just can’t figure it out! Lol Did the GSWR have 6 wheel “composite lavatory (1st/3rd)” coaches? Or was that something that did not come along until after the GSWR? And then lastly, were Irish cattle wagons back then the same as British cattle wagons? I’ve found a few used ones but I don’t know if they’re what the GSWR would have used or if they too would need modifications. Thanks in advance. Johnny

That’s great to hear. And I did look up the trains you mentioned to see the livery so I do see what you mean. And my table is 4’ x 8’ Thank you!

I have a large but beat up, rectangular shaped, wooden table that I plan on using. And I was planning on just doing the basic kind of two half circles with two parallel lines to start. At one end I’d like to make a street from a town and then at the other end a rural village with stone cottages. There’s something about the time period of 1900 to 1930 that I just like all the machinery - the trains, the cars, the planes, and I’d like to incorporate all of that in the layout.

Thanks so much for all that info in your posts, I’m still reading through it! And definitely has saved me from a lot of mistakes. I really appreciate it.