irishthump

56 minutes ago, controller said:

Hi Irishthump, I did as you suggested, CV54 to 0 and F1. I did it three times, but B131 is still pulling B125. I have the two locos run in, 30mins each direction. I will keep running them as stand alone and maybe they may loosen up a bit more. When I run them as MU there is a grinding noise from B131. I will do as you suggested a few more times and see will that help. Thanks again.

Controller.

Yeah 131 is obviously pulling against 125. 

I expect it may take a while both locos to really bed in. 30 mins in each direction really isn't enough to run a loco in anyway in my opinion, it takes a few hours of continous running. 

As Noel mentioned you could try adjusting CV's 5 and 6, but I'd give the locos a bit more running before trying that as you could find yourself back at square one if they end up in settling it and you've changed CV's!

20 minutes ago, Georgeconna said:

I ordered the last batch of 121 from the old Boss in Marks....easier and with Brexit did not want to take the chance!

Proper order! I'd never buy anything from Rails after seeing the loony prices they charge for 2nd hand shite on Ebay!

5 minutes ago, controller said:

Thank you gentlemen. I now have all sound up and running. I knew I could depend on the experts. If you could indulge me , I have one more small problem. One loco run faster than the other, and is inclined to drag the slower one. There is not much of a difference, but over time I am concerned it may damage the motor. Thanks again.

Controller.

Glad you got the sound sorted! One small thing, I'd have one loco set up so that the horn does'nt work while in consist. In real life the horn would only sound in one loco while double heading.

As regards the different speed, give the locos some time ro run-in before considering doing any adjustments. The gear train may just need to loosen up a little.

The docders also have an auto-tune feature. Place the loco on a piece of straight track. Set CV54 to 0 then press F1. The loco will take off like a hare for a few seconds then it will stop and the engine sound will start up. This calibrates the decoder to the motor. Dp it with both locos and see how they run together, you can go through process mulitple times if necessary.

Let us know how you get on.

57 minutes ago, controller said:

Hi Noel, Thanks for your reply. Would you be able to explain a bit more how do I check the value of CV 21 or CV19 to see if FN1 has been masked off. I think if I can do that, I might be able to fix the problem. I am not familiar with CVs at all.

Controller.

Hornby themselves have a series of videos on programming with the elite. Give them a watch first if you're unsure.

(115) Hornby | Elite User Guides - YouTube

There are list of CV's that control what functions will operate under the consist address. These may well be set incorrectly. Now I recommend babysteps when trying to reprogramme a Loksound decoder. They are quite complex and anything more than very basic programming should be done with either a Lokprogrammer or software like JMRI. 

For a start try setting CV21 to a value 201. This should allow the engine sound to operate in a consist. Let us know how you get on with that before trying anything more.

8 minutes ago, Dempsey said:

Are they still trading? I emailed about getting transfers and a few other items and as i haven't received a reply I'm wondering have they been hit by the pandemic? 

I put in an order the other day and received a reply from Des this morning so he's still operating. Maybe shoot him an email, he may have missed your first message.

The tragic part of it all is how Prowse's relationship with Lucasfilm soured over the years. During the making of Return of the Jedi he was accused of leaking details about the movie. By all accounts he was innocent but Lucas seemed to harbour a grudge against him ever since, even banning him from official Star Wars events.

Another kick in the teeth is that Prowse was among members of the main cast who were entitled to residuals from the profits of Return of the Jedi. Due to "creative" Hollywood accounting, despite grossing close to 500 million on a budget of just over 30 million, on paper, the movie never made a profit. 

1 hour ago, Galteemore said:

You can see why an alternative voice actor was used. Hard to imagine the threats of Vader with a West Country burr! 

You don't have to imagine it, here ya go...

(101) The Real Voice of Darth Vader...hilarious! - YouTube

3 hours ago, Alan564017 said:

irishthump, many thanks for the reply. Leaving one loco as is and the changing the other makes sense. I'm using a Hornby Elite, i've never tried to alter any CV's so im a little hesitant. The decoders are the lok-pilot (got them with the locos), so I presume the CV numbers you mentioned above still apply. 

If anybody knows or has advice on how to read/write CV's using a Hornby Elite, it would be much appreciated. 

If both decoders are LOkpilot you can use the Auto-Tune feature which may well improve things.

Just place the loco on a straight piece of track then programme CV54 to a value of 0. Then press F1 and the loco will take off like a rocket for a few seconds. (Make sure nothing is in the way!)

This reads feedback from the motor and stores it in the decoder. Do it with both locos and see how they run after that.

1 hour ago, brassnut said:

Thanks for your help folks I actually need 24 couplings as the tiny tiny tiny springs flew away 

The springs can also be bought separately, although they’re a pain to replace!

58 minutes ago, Noel said:

Curious how the Z21 can handle matching speed curves in consists

 

 

Yes, but not a lot of help to the original poster as he isn’t using a Z21.

4 hours ago, Alan564017 said:

hopefully someone can help with this. I very recently got two 121's, over the moon with them. I first ran them DC for a run in all good, with both on the same track, one was quicker than the other.

I installed the decoders (lok non -sound), got them running DCC, all good. I then set up a double header (or consist, im using a Hornby Elite). One still runs quicker than the other. 

I presume there is an adjustment to a CV required, im not well aquanted with adjusting CV's, any help would be much appriciated. 

It's a process the DCC gurus call "Speed Matching". There are many good articles and videos on the subject if you Google search the term. American modellers have great experience with this as they often run several locos in a consist.

Basically the process involves adjusting 3 CVs.

CV2 which controls the speed of the loco at speed step 1 on the throttle.

CV5 which controls the speed of the loco at max throttle speed.

CV6 which controls the loco's speed at the middle speed step.

Bear in mind that some cheaper decoders will not allow adjustment of these CV's.

Hopefully you have a large loop on your layout as this makes the process much easier. Set the 2 locos up a couple of inches apart and run them both at speed step 1. Adjust CV2 so they are at the same speed. Then do the same with CV5 while the models are running at top speed. Once you have those set work on CV6, it's much easier when you have CV's 2 and 5 matched. You probably won't get them running identically but just try to get them as close as possible. Also try to adjust the CV's on only one loco, adjusting it to match the other one rather than fiddling with CV's on both locos at once. That can get very confusing!

They are Bachmann E-Z Mate couplers which can be found quite easily online. Hattons stock them...

www.hattons.co.uk - Bachmann USA 78501 Magnetically Operated E-Z Mate Mark II Couplers - Long (12Pr/Card)

This would be the easiest option if you don't fancy hacking away at the model.

That sounds dreadful!

I have a couple of Spectrum locos and they’re not the quietest but there’s something wrong there. The gears sound like they are binding but it’s hard to tell without opening the loco up. If it was me I’d have a go at repairing it but if that’s not your thing then return it. If you decide to fix it post some pics here and we can try to help you out.

2 hours ago, WRENNEIRE said:

This really gets my goat up
PM slogging away on his own working from detailed drawings and talking with people who worked on the locos. Then he lands out a 6 figure sum , eventually gets the locos delivered, then distributed and a keyboard warrior comes along and complains about boxes being silver not white! Jesus wept man admire the models for what they are and praise what has been done correctly, give the man a brake! And play with them

I have to agree, Dave. Especially when the criticism comes from a member with the grand total of 2 posts on these forums! BOTH of those posts are pointed criticism of Murphy Models products. I don’t like to demonise or single out anybody but this sort of crap needs to be called out.

2 minutes ago, Dempsey said:

Did the 121s run double headed together or was it just with the 141s 181s?

Yes the 121's were often double-headed, due to them not having a cab at each end it made sense to pair them. they also double-headed with 141's and 181's all the time.

12 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said:

How about everybody holds on the bloody nitpicking for a few weeks?

I for one, will be waiting a few weeks to receive mine, and I don't want the moment ruined weeks in advance with lists and lists of imperfections.

Please!

Ignore it and enjoy there lovely models when they arrive. I pay no attention to nitpicking  myself, especially not from people who pop up on the forum ONLY to post negative opinions.

1 hour ago, Warbonnet said:

Hi Kevin,

We do not have Supertrain. This is part of the last batch to come in from Murphy Models.

Thanks,

Fran

Any idea of a delivery date for the Supertrain locos, Fran?

10 hours ago, Warbonnet said:

Hi everyone,

We will be receiving our next batch of 121s tomorrow and dispatch will commence from Tuesday onwards.

Cheers!

Fran

Fran,

Any word on when the Supertrain locos will be shipping?

53 minutes ago, murphaph said:

Cheers. I've a few iPhone speakers here. Gonna try squeezing one of those in first rather than buying new ones. 

Which type are they? A small sugar cube will also fit if you remove the speaker cradle.

10 minutes ago, murphaph said:

Yeah I had no deep seated desire to go down that road and there's clearly no reason to. Cab straight off and then fingernail under the body gives enough purchase to pull it off. Squeezing the body just seems to anger it lol.

Yes that’s exactly it! Lever the body up rather than pinching it which really doesn’t work. 
Problem with the handrails is that some of the posts are friction fit but some of them clearly ended up needing to be glued in. Best avoided at all costs!

40 minutes ago, murphaph said:

Lifesaver. First time opening one of these tonight. This is easy this way.

Yep. Don’t know why some people insist on removing the handrails first. Probably just to prove they CAN do it!

45 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

Let's HOPE it's a bluff - however - bluff or not, anyone opening or operating a business either IN Brexitland OR the rest of the world (well, the EU and China!), will be buried in new tariffs, by the look of things........thus, prices in such a new shop might have to be a lot higher than people might assume.

I’ve a feeling a trade deal will happen at the last second. Trump’s loss changes the dynamic more that people realise and there seems to be a lot of wobbling from The Bowel Boris at the moment.

On 11/11/2020 at 4:21 PM, murphaph said:

According to the 567 wiki the R means "rebalanced".

Quote:

EMD Pointers publication, October 17, 1956, "NEW MODEL 8-567CR ENGINE" "Due to expanding usage in a wide variety of applications, the 8 cylinder 567C engine is now being manufactured with certain design changes to provide a better total balance. This "rebalanced" engine has the model designation 8-567CR and supersedes the previous standard 8-567C in all applications. The major change is in firing order which requires a new design crankshaft #8235623 for the 8-567CR engine. This crankshaft has 2 relocated crankpin throws as well as larger counterweights."

 

Maybe it meant something else inside CIE though?

I had read somewhere that the "R" stood for "reversed", that is the engine was designed to have a different direction of rotation to previous models.

5 hours ago, WRENNEIRE said:

They have landed in London so I reckon early next week with MM and then towards the end of the week with retailers
Hip Hip.....

Any word on the Supertrain locos?