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irishthump
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Ok, thanks, IT. You can have automatic coupling/uncoupling of the loco from the Coaches under DCC control?
Yes, I believe they're made by Roco. If you download the Lokpilot and Loksound manuals from the ESU site you can see how they operate. The decoder can be programmed to perform and uncoupling maneuver; the loco backs up a tiny bit to create slack, the couplers unlocks and the loco moves off.
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The speaker used in the 071 would fit the 121 body without any hassle I would think.
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HI Noel. Yes, I understood that. I presume IT is speaking of the LokPilot V4 then. But I didn't understand the difference between a 'function' (and what that can control) versus a 'logic' function (and what that can control) or was that in reference to the 6 functions on a function only decoder?
Sorry, yes I was referring to the Lokpilot V4.
The decoder has 4 function outputs (which are functions that have all the necessary circuitry built into the decoder) it also has 2 more Logic functions which have the ability to control external devices such as DCC controlled couplers. As I said the circuit boards in modern models that have 21pin interfaces allow the logic functions to be used to control lights/leds.
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I think pretty much all decoders now are set up to enable DC running, even the bog standard Hornby ones have that feature.
Also, when they say to check a loco on DC they mean to remove the decoder and run it on a DC track or power supply just to make sure the motor mechanism isn't the cause of any problems.
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LokPilot Fx V4, which is a function only decoder is NOT the same decoder as MM0005
It seems to be the similar to ESU 54615 LokPilot V4 which is retailing in Germany at €26. The LokPilot Fx is a function only decoder without motor drive, but the LokPilot v4 has motor drive. BUT it only has FOUR functions.
The Lokpilot has 6 functions; 4 outputs and 2 logic functions. The logic functions can be used to control leds by using a special adaptor plate. The PCB in the MM071 probably does the same job as the adaptor.
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If M0005 is same decoder as ESU 54621 LokPilot Fx V4.0 then €37 seems high when it is only €17 in Germany
Even if you have to map the functions in program mode €17 v €37 seems a stretch just for pre-programming which will only take you a few mins if it is needed at all.
Haven't had time to see how many of the lights work with the other 4fn decoders (i.e. Lenz/Bachmann).
Yeah it's definitely a Lokpilot. As you say, a hell of a markup!
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Hi Alan ,
you need the Murphy Models DCC decoder M0005 , which is programmed just for the 071/111 only and not any other loco 141 / 201 .
Its pre programmed functions does not follow the NMRA standard F0 - F8 functions but they do all work. The decoder if memory serves correct is a ESU decoder .
Marks Model sells them for €37 .
Irishthump is correct that the 071/111 requires a 6 function decoder if you want to use all the lights.
It's a LokPilot Fx which has 6 functions hence the higher price tag.
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So the functions would be used like this…..?
6 Function decoder
1 - Front marker lights (Cab1 driving) + rear light(s)
2 - Front marker lights (Cab 2 driving) + other set of rear lights
3 - Main beam on/off (Cab1 driving)
4 - Main beam on/off (Cab2 driving)
5 - Cab 1 lights on/off
6 - Cab 2 lights on/off
Motor - present on every decoder ('functions' are additional to this)
Yeah, spot on.
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- F0 is the directional running lights (i.e. uses two function outputs white/red lights)
- F4 the main beam head light (directional)
- F8 the cab lights (directional)
The headlight and cab lights both use 2 functions each, 1 for forward and 1 for reverse in each case.
- F0 is the directional running lights (i.e. uses two function outputs white/red lights)
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You need a 6 function decoder to handle all the lighting functions on an 071.
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Congratulations guys!
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No - Scotty went ten years ago...
We lost Bones in 1999.
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Still available!
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Lads and lassies,
Have a 071 and 201 chip for sale. These are Zimo chips bought from Model Shop Belfast, both in perfect order.
Looking for €200 for the pair.
Based in South Dublin so can arrange for them to be picked up if the buyer is local. If posting I'll only send them registered and insured so that will add about €10 to the price. Can accept Paypal if needs be.
Here's a couple of videos of the decoders:
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Try isopropyl alcohol if you can get it, it will lift just about any paint finish. Soak it overnight then scrub off with a toothbrush.
If you can't get the isopropyl alcohol then you could try using T-Cut and a cotton bud to remove the signage then just prime the wagons then repaint them.
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Many Happy Returns, Sir!
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Just having a look at above,there's a better way of doing the coupling on the loco,have a look up flying Scotsman 4472 work bench he's the man when it come's to these couplings.
Yeah but he mounts the coupler to the body of the loco. If you have a body mounted coupler on the loco you need to body mount it on the coach as well. Body mounted and bogie mounted don't mix well.
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The purists will tell you to body mount the couplers and this is how they are designed to work, but this can cause a lot of problems if you have tight curves/points on your layout.
My now defunct layout had tight curves so I mounted them to the bogies permanently, but it's easy to mount them so they can be removed at a later time if you want.
Body mounting the coupler (using the kadee draft box) is even easier and they are easily removed later if required.
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Or is the whole idea of plug-in replacement Kadee's and NEM a myth. It looks like I am going to have to stick with tension lock because there is no way I am prepared to cannibalise my MM coaching stock to get Kadee's to work.
Yes, Noel. I'm afraid it is a bit of a myth! The whole Kadee/NEM process is a bit of a mess, the pockets are often WAY off the correct height and I find the swivelling cams that Murphy and Bachmann use don't play nice with Kadees either.
If you're really serious about switching to Kadees I think you have to bite the bullet and fit them permanently, either to the body or to the truck/bogie.
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As a former software designer I find all of the DCC systems have a rather awkward and jurassic user interface that is hardly friendly. The ECOS at least makes a decent stab at making all this guff a bit more user friendly, but jeapers we've been living in a smartphone era for 7 years now and the DCC manufacturers are still living in the MS-DOS era of the early 90s. Technology should be invisible and intuitive. Believe it or not NCE is supposed to be one of the less cumbersome old style system to configure. DCC needs a redesign and a new NMRA spec - it is jurassic. All of this stuff should be setup using smartphones and tablets instead of expensive dedicated and proprietary hardware.
Have to say the Gaugemaster Prodigy is dead simple, that's why I chose it in the first place. I had watched several videos showing how to programme with systems like the Powercab and Digitrax and it's seems needlessly complicated.
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I ran a sound 141 on the main track and it worked fine
Going to drag them down to the MRSI this evening and see if there is anyone there that might know something about them
(Have to wake them up first)
We use Gaugemaster controllers so should be somewhat similar to the Power Cab
It's a much simpler process with the Gaugemaster controller but you need a programming track.
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With the loco or decoder on the prog track
- press prog four times
- press enter
- press 1
- press enter
You should now see the set address.
And there you have it!
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While I have you there Thumper
I have some chips that came from locos that were chipped but the buyer wanted them DC
How do I find out what the previous address was to reprogramme them
I use a Power Cab Pro, it has aprogramme track.
Well I have one, I dont use it very often
You've got me there... I don't know the process for programming with the Powercab. That's the thing, it's different for every DCC system.
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I know but the Athearns gear towers take up a lot more space because of the connecting tabs on top, and the motor is much bulkier then what was used in the 141's. The same speaker in the 071 will fit into the 141 without the need for any surgery.