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1 hour ago, Northroader said:
I’m afraid I never got round to lining it out, coal in the bunker and so on. It’s built as a double bogie, out of necessity to go round curves.
Similar to the LGB G Gauge American Forney loco, curiously the GSWR built at least on of its 0-4-4BT locos as a Fairlie (double bogie) but appears to have been withdrawn/re-built before the "Amalgamation"
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The majority of our wagons are available in undecorated form on pre-order.
I am currently unable to supply rtr decorated wagons or undertake loco/stock building commissions as a result of family commitments.
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It looks like Hattons a planning to introduce a OO Gauge rtr Caledonian 2-6-0
Went through a phase of assembling kits of 'modern" British outline steam locos about 20 odd years ago only for Hornby or Bachmann to release a rtr model 6-12 months later. Never thought anyone would introduce a model of a Scottish 2-6-0
https://www.hattons.co.uk/directory/vehicledetails?id=3144935
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As they say a picture or a couple of pictures are worth a thousand words.
DSER 2-6-0 originally planned as a large boilered 0-6-0, boiler diameter reduced and pony truck fitted.
GSWR 2-6-0 358 originally built 1903 as an 0-6-0 re-built 1907 as a 2-6-0 later re-built with GSR cab and large belpair boiler.
A rather Scottish looking locomotive?
K3 357 originally built 1903 as an 0-6-0 rebuilt with Belpair boiler and GSR cab
K4 359 built as a 2-6-0 1909 rebuilt with Belpair boiler and Inchacore cab 1935
Chief spotting difference between the K3 and K4 seems to have been the framing at the front end and cab roof profile
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1 hour ago, Rob R said:
There was a question a few posts back about the livery of WLWR wagons, the 2 in Ernie Sheperds book from the Gloucester Carriage and Wagon Co are shown varnished timber with black ironwork and lettering.
Here is one of the cattle trucks in service still with the black lettering and presumeably the varnished timber weathered down so that it looks grey.
All the other wagons in these photos and others are lettered in white so presumeably it was just the GWC batch.
I have put both links in as the people have moved around between photos uncovering different bits of the wagons.
The HMRS have the underframe drawing for these cattle vans
The cattle wagon looks relatively modern by the standards of the time a 14' Van similar in appearance to the GNR(I) vans built into the 1950s, a wooden top rail rather than a metal rail at door head level and solid planked sides appear to be the main spotting diffrences.
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4 hours ago, Rob R said:
Hi, I hope you don't mind me resurrecting an oldish thread.
In the National Library of Ireland online photo collection there are some nice WLWR period views of Foynes.
This one (when you zoom in) shows the tail end of a brake van, presumeably WLWR as all the other visible stock is WLWR.
Zoomed in
A different type of van is clearly visable in a couple of later views but as they were taken in early GSWR days it may well be from that company not the WLWR
The Brake Vans two different designs on with/one without veranda appear similar in construction and outline to a MGWR design dating from the 187O. Martin Atock held the post of Waterford and Limerick Locomotive Superintendent for 11 years before moving to the Midland in 1872 and may have designed the Brake Vans in the photos.
The 'Covered Wagon" beside the crane in the second photo appears to be a MGWR design, the other covered wagons appear to be GSWR with their distinctive end framing with a single post supporting the roof.
I think most of the wagons on Richard Chown's Castle Rackrent layout were based on British Rolling Stock Manufacturers drawings from UK museum collections.
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20 hours ago, Wexford70 said:
Hi folks,
Can anyone advise what the piece of infrastructure is, outlined in green?
I am guessing it is a platform for the signalman to hand over the ETS token to a driver?
Are there any other photos of such infrastructure or plans? It is nit very clear in the photo.
From facebook.
There is a July 39 photo of Kilmeadan looking West in "Lost Railways of Co Dublin and the South East.
The striped post in the background is part of the system for exchanging the electric train staff at speed. The striped post is fitted with a hoop apparently for picking up the staff from trains arriving at speed, staffs appear to have been picked up from a mechanism mounted on a shorter post.
It looks like the GSR operated "up and down" running through crossing loops on the "Boat Train Route" at this stage with both roads of equal importance, this was unlike the Dublin-Galway line and the NCC North of Ballymena where one road through single line crossing places was aligned for high speed non-stop running and designated the main line, the other road designated the loop.
Its possible the small platform was provided for manually exchanging staffs on trains held in the loop with the loco stopped past the end of the platform, starting signal for Waterford West? likely to be on the Waterford side of the bridge.
Current signals likely to be cosmetic to provide atmosphere, signal cabin, crossing loop and sidings likely to have been removed following the closure of the Waterford-Mallow Line, staff sections became ETS Waterford West-Kilmacthomas, one engine in steam/train on line Kilmacthomas-Ballinacourtney
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20 hours ago, ttc0169 said:
24 wagons were built -36001-36024 Introduced to traffic in 2001, mainly used on Dublin-Cork and Dublin-Limerick container trains, they were restricted these route due to them being prohibited from operating over mechanically signalled points for some strange reason
There was a risk of derailment with facing point 'locking (lifting) bars" with mechanical points moving under these wagons because the distance between bogie centers was longer than existing stock/locking bars. https://85a.uk/templot/archive/topics/topic_721.php
The wagons were originally restricted to run between Dublin and Mallow with containers transhipped by road between Mallow and Cork. Its likely IE fitted longer locking bars bars to points at existing interlockings to clear the route into Cork as pockets wagons operated through to North Esk (Cork) before IE ceased running container trains in July 2005.
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I repaired a dry joint on a MM 141 circuit board and soldered wires to decoders (in the days before DCC ready locos)
The main challenge is holding the circuit board and the iron steady at the same time!
I usually secure or clamp the circuit board, decoder, or loco to the workbench so it cannot move and support my elbow on the workbench while soldering the joint.
Basically use a small soldering iron (18W Antex) with fine tip and small dia.-multicore solder, I have a number of Antex irons bought for model railway use over the past 25 years 18w for wiring and track laying, 25w general work and a variable temperature iron for loco/kit building. The main advantage of Antex Irons is that the iron coated tips stay clean and corrosion is less of a problem than other brands, and good supply of replacement parts including elements.
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The Bray and Enniskerry Light Railway was an interesting prospect, either as an independent light railway or a line worked by the DWWR/DSER, potential weekend excursion traffic and Mystery Trains to the Village and Powerscourt. https://www.thehistorypress.co.uk/publication/the-bray-and-enniskerry-railway/9781845885939/
Powers to construct the line were obtained, though sure if any construction took place but an interesting stone 'railway style" bridge in the valley below Enniskerry and a prospective terminal site in the village up to the 1980s when it became a housing estate.
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12 hours ago, spudfan said:
110hp for €56,000 as Chinese brand aims to shake up Irish tractor market or so the headline says.
110hp for €56,000 as Chinese brand aims to shake up Irish tractor market (msn.com)
Prices excluding VAT: 25hp €19,995, 40hp €23,495, 75hp €32,995, 90hp €52,995, 100hp €54,495, 110hp €55,995, 130hp €64,995.
Wonder how this venture will go. Could tempt someone in the market for a second hand known brand. Quality control and parts availability will determine whether these tractors succeed here or not.
Classic Irish business acumen disrupting the market by importing European and Asian following on from Zetor tractors in the 1940s, Pino Harris importing Hino trucks during the 70s and the McGowan brothers importing Trix and Liliput model trains direct from the manufacturer much to the consternation of the UK Trix and Liliput distributors.
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The Aire Valley was pioneering in terms of 3' narrow gauge modelling, but very much in the freelance tradition as opposed to a model of a particular prototype. I did not realise the final version of the layout was based on the Madder Valley in its entirety until I visited Pendon while living in the Home Counties during the late 80s.
Very much a generational thing as Colin R commented when serious modellers built quite creditable railway systems often with everything scratchbuilt apart from wheels gears and motors and brick/stone paper.
The Madder Valley was probably the 1st scenic layout with scenery, building and structural modelling (and atmosphere) of equal importance to locos, stock and what was taking place inside the railway fence.
Funnily enough I started building bodywork from drinks tins on Triang chassis as a teenager in the 1970s, before turning to more conventional scratch and kit building during the 80s
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10 hours ago, flange lubricator said:
I would go so far as to say that the vast majority were rebuilt in that manner by the early eighties when they were withdrawn, I worked on some of the RPSI ones in the mid eighties and as John says they were laminates in name only .
Some nice photos of both 64 and 70 seat Laminate Coaches showing the distinctive original laminate panel and cover slips in josefstad 1 Jan 2019 post about half way down Page 2 of ECMs excellent thread on building a Laminate coach with the assistance of Worsley Works scratchbuilders parts.
As they say the history of CIE coachbuilding at Inchacore is complicated.
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Derek Naylor a pioneering OOn3 modeller built a model based on an NCC 2-4-2T for his Aire Valley Railway during the 1960s. A series of articles on the Aire Valley and its locos was published in the Railway Modeller during the 1960s-early 70s.
The Aire Valley was inspired by John Ahearn's Madder Valley a self contained light railway linking a port with a hinterland, scratchbuilding techniques were fairly typical of the era with a number of locos and railcars inspired by Irish practice including a T&D look alike 2-6-0T, a CVR "Unit" rail tractor and a pair of 4w railcars inspired by early CDR practice. Stock and motive power was international in nature including an American Forney 0-4-4T, a German South West Africa steam railmotor, a Hunslet Heisler geared loco and American Back-Woods railtrucks1
If anyone is interested in a complete set of Aire valley articles please send me a PM.
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3 minutes ago, 228RiverOwenboy said:
They look fairly similar to the laminates numbered 2419-2422 (With 2422 and 2421 being preserved as fair as I know).
Credit: Dawgz (Wikipedia)
While the early CIE coaches and the Laminates are similar in overall length and general styling there are a lot of structural and detail differences between the two types.
The end profile and paneling detail of the earlier coaches including the Buffet Cars is completely different to the Laminates.
The earlier coaches were narrower with an almost upright profile above waist height, the Laminates were wider 10'3" with a tear drop end profile, not unlike the Craven coaches.
Older stock including the Buffet Cars tended to stick out like a sore thumb in trains made up of Laminate or Craven coaches because of the different end profiles.
The cover slips on the panel joints are quite noticeable on the older stock with vertical cover slips above the windows, the Laminates were built using composite Aluminium, insulation (asbestos?) and ply panels.
Preserved CIE 1953 Side Corridor Second(Standard) Class Coaches GSRPS Tralee 1993. The majority of pre-Park Royal & Laminate stock was withdrawn in the early 80s following the commissioning of the DART and introduction of the 1st Batch of MK3 Coaches
CIE Diagram 64 Seat Laminate, Tear drop end profile, Vertical cover slips between panels, small windows toilet panels.
To add to the confusion CIE rebuilt some 64 seat Laminate coaches using traditional coach building techniques during the late 70s-early 80s with a different paneling/cover slip arrangement to the original laminate stock!
When is a Laminate not a Laminate?
Laminate 1463 Mullingar 1981-2 withdrawn following a minor shunting accident, the coach was repaired and entered service with the RPSI during the 1980s
Rebuilt using traditional timber framed carriage building techniques paneling and cover slip detail different to the original Laminates.
Worsley Works introduced kits for the 64 seat and main-line brake end versions of the Laminates during the early 2000s, I produced etched side overlays for the earlier CIE coaches "shrunk to fit" the Dapol 60' Stanier coaches, at the time it was not viable to produce a full kit for the older type of coaches due to the multitude of types and relatively low level of demand.
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11 hours ago, 228RiverOwenboy said:
Oh, I see. Did that particular type of coach have a name?
CIE dose not appear to have had a type "name" for the coaches introduced in the early 1950s.
Officially coaches would have been referred to by their purpose and running nos. for example Buffet Car 2406-
Early CIE stock was similar in design and construction to the pre-war Harty/Bredin coaches, basically aluminium paneling (Harty/Bredin steel) on timber framing on riveted/later welded steel framing on GSR style bogies. CIE introduced new types including 64 seat open coaches, buffet cars, and brake end coaches, the original CIE coaches introduced 1950 were 60" same length as Harty/Bredin, coaches CIE standardised on 61'6" as a body length from 1951 and coaches built from 1953 onwards including the Dunsandle coach ran on Bullied Triangulated underframe with Commonwealth bogies similar to the later Park Royal and Laminate stock.
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7 hours ago, Edo said:
flippin hell
Now I am Torn - I have 2 00works J15s from a couple years back - but the recent ones with the big tenders are more prototypical for the late 50's early 60's period ......
for us here in Euroland its €360 approx plus postage plus customs processing from Brexitland for one of these guys that aren't even DCC ready...........obvs the likes of IRM don't have the J15 on their current horizon................decisions decisions ........with MM 141s, the Hatton Coaches and the IRM coaches and railcars over the next 12 months.............. this hobby can very expensive very fast!
I suppose there is an argument that you can never have too many J15s on an ex GSWR section layout.
The Z boiler version with large tenders did not entirely replace J15 with the saturated 101 Class boiler and there would not have been enough large tenders from withdrawn 4-6-0 and 4-4-0 locos to entirely replace the small tenders.
Some number crunching from GSR locos indicates that 20 of the 60 J15s that survived into the 60s retained 101 Class boilers, interestingly the majority of J15s withdrawn in the late 50s had Superheated Z Class boilers, possibly the re-built locos were heavier on maintenance/worked harder than the non-superheated locos.
I will probably pass-go on the majority of rtr models due for release over the next 12 months, I have more than enough modelmaking projects to keep myself occupied for several years.
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42 minutes ago, patrick said:
Here are a few JM Design wagons straight out of the paint shop. Tomorrow I hope to do three more vans and a grain hopper, also from JM Design and hopefully all will receive decals over the weekend.
The open wagon with the timber load is a white metal kit from SSM and a different prototype than the JM Design model. Does anyone have any information on these?
The oval plate and label clip details are reproduced nicely on the current (Chinese) prints of the open wagons.
The SSM open wagon is a model of the wooden underframed version of the IRCH Open, both the GSWR/GSR and GNR appear to have built both types of these wagons possibly using timber when steel was in short supply, there is a photo in the Inchacore 150 book of wooden underframe wagons under construction for beet traffic during the 1930s.
The wooden underframe wagons appear to have been a favourite for carrying old style BR containers, but the Bachmann Type A container is too big to fit in the SSM wagon
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2 hours ago, Nestor said:
Good evening all
One of my favourite pastimes whilst not having space for a layout is filling sketchbooks with a multitude of outlandish layout plans. Having a long term interest in Irish Railways (amongst many others) results in quite a few sketches based on Irish Prototypes.
These are plans in the loosest sense and more a way of getting down some ideas. Below I’m sharing two mirrored variations on a loft or large room layout based on the once proposed but never taken seriously route from Westport to Louisburgh in County Mayo. I’ve titled it the Clew Bay Line. The station layouts are taken from the Clifden Route in Connemara. I particularly like the long and thin terminus design. Scenery would be taking various aspects of the Clew Bay Area and combining them into sort of a “best of”. This includes an indulgence of having the cottage where my Grandfather and his wife spent the majority of my childhood in the hamlet of Devlin North way out beyond Louisburgh off the road to Silver Strand.
Highly unlikely to ever get built but still a fun idea. Maybe set sometime around 1910 to include the MGWR’s lovely green livery…
I think I prefer the second configuration. The fiddle yard is neither here nor there, just a suggestion.
If people are interested I’ll share a few more sketches.
Nestor
Very nice sketchplans, I dreamed up several fictional schemes in my teens including a largish island off the coast of Wicklow with its own railway system (independent of CIE or BR) and a short sea crossing to mid Wales. The Island had a mining and heavy industrial base not unlike South Wales and a strong sense of identity most likely populated by people of Scandanavian and Celtic descent.
Later schemes were based mainly in real places the main themes were an independent line from Dublin to the South-East via Blessington, and down the Slaney Valley to Enniscorthy and a second main line from Tullow though New-Ross to Fethard with a 'branch" to Waterford, most of this system closed during the Todd-Andrews/1st McKinsey era apart from the Blessington line which survived as a commuter rote and to serve a cement factory at Belgard.
The other theme was a narrow gauge network in the Dublin area with 3' narrow gauge lines from the Liberties area of Dublin to Blessington and Ballymore Eustace, light railway extensions of the Dublin and Lucan to Celbridge, Clane and Sallins and "Fingal" narrow gauge system linking the narrow gauge lines to the South of the City with the GNR main line at Gormonstown winding its way through Clondalkin, Blanchardstown, Ratoath, Ashborne, Garristown and the Naul carefully avoiding Slane, Balbriggan or Drogheda!
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Kato Unitrak https://www.unitrack-kato.com/ has a very good reputation among N Scale modellers with the advantage of being ready ballasted, may be a better option than Peco or other track systems
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Lenz, NCE and Digitrax have a reputation of being bullet proof in terms of reliability and durability and all produce basic starter systems. All three brands have a reputation of being conservative in their techology, but have the advantage that their starter sets are upgradable from basic to intermediate to advance level. I still use the command station from my first starter set an intermediate level Digitrax Empire Builder bought in 2000, upgraded with additional Throttles (hand held controllers) wireless radio.
The basic Digitrax Zephyr express set has the capability to operate 20 loco addresses and 20 throttles, with a 3amp power capacity and read-write CV addresses, the Empire Builder has been replaced by the Evolution Advanced set had a 5amp power capacity and could control 22 locos/throttles.
I don't know of the supply situation with NCE and Digitrax in the EU, apart from the starter sets, I bought Digitrax Throttles and Accessories direct from "Tonys Trains" in the United States while living in Ireland and NZ, better proces despite shipping and import taxes
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1 hour ago, Irishswissernie said:
First decent photo of the CIE Bulk Grain wagons converted from H vans during the late 50ss early 60s, the Brake Van 23596 appears to have had some damage repairs to the veranda planking at one end only
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On 5/6/2023 at 6:39 AM, Leyny said:
Sometime in the mid-noughties, I picked up a few of these Dapol wagons in Mark's Models. They're purportedly old CIE loose-coupled vans and all numbered 315. Can anyone here tell me if these are a fairly accurate model of the prototype, a passable imitation to the not-so-fussy or bear little or no resemblance a la the Lima wagons of the '80s?
The Dapol/Marks Models? vans are basically the equivalent of British Railways MK1 coaches painted in CIE Green or Black and Tan schemes, looks close to a CIE wagon from 2'-3' distance, but quite unlike the vans that ran on CIE.
The Dapol van is basically a model of an early 1950s BR planked sided van, it looks similar to vans built by the GSWR and GSR from 1917 onwards although the Irish vans were lower, had planked ends and the brake gear was completely different
I have produced a 3D printed models of the GSWR van and early versions of the CIE standard covered H van in kit and rtr form, but its not practicable to compete on price point with mass produced Dapol models.
https://jmdesignmodelrailways.com/
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I "transitioned" to DCC over 20 years ago, but also play about with DC and Battery-Radio remote control.
Intermediate/advanced Vs basic systems.
At the time I was building an N Gauge American walk-around style layout and my 1amp DC controller did not have sufficient power to operate 3-5 loco multiple loco consists hauling 20-30 car trains, the train physically slowed down when I added additional locos.
I went for a Digitrax "Empire Builder" an intermediate system which had a hand held throttle and a 5amp booster/command station capable of running/storing up to 22 loco addresses. https://www.digitrax.com/products/retired/starter-sets/eb/
The Empire Builder proved ideal for controlling the N gauge layout both in Ireland and a larger version started after we moved to New Zealand and later a G Scale garden layout, the main draw back was that I quickly used up the 22 loco addresses while running trains with multi-unit consists and had to adapt work-around such as giving all locos in a consist the same address to run the N gauge layout.
The main advantage of choosing an intermediate system produced by a specialist DCC manufacturer over a more basic system produced by train manufacturer was that the system was expandable and compatible with other DCC products, I added infrared and later radio wireless capability by adding IR and Radio RC modules to the system and additional throttles, computer route setting and loco programming using JMRI (Java Model Railway Interface) by adding a network adaptor (Digitrax and "Loco Buffer", points controlled by Lenz, Digitrax and other brands of stationary controllers and Tonys Trains (USA) circuit breakers (divide the layout into a number of separate sections to avoid a system shut down in the event of a short or a fault)
20+ years later I still use the original Command Station Booster to control a small OO gauge shunting layout.
Just like cell phone users DCC users have developed strong almost religious loyalty to a particular brand as the majority of DCC manufacturers have developed a unique user interface.
Sound
I discovered DCC sound in the mid 2000s and built up a collection of American sound equipped locos in HO & On30 but disposed of the collection when I started building a railway in the garden, most of my Garden railway locos have digital sound, but like the HO & On30 stock its usually runs with the sound muted.
"Standard" Function Buttons
In recent years EU and US decoder/controller manufacturer have gone in separate directions in terms of Function controls
In the "old days" Digitrax Throttle Buttons controlled.
F0 Headlights f/r
F1 Bell (American steam loco)
F2 Whistle/Horn (non-latching)
F3 Coupler (knuckle coupler coupling up sound)
F 4-7 user selectable
F8 Sound mute
F9-28 user selectable
F4-5 As far as I recall for controlling head and tail lamps independently.
Curiously Radio Control Systems battery-radio share similar F0-3 functions F 4 crew sounds
The Future.
I will probably stick to battery RC in the garden and DC or static for most of my Irish Irish locos as I get more enjoyment from building rather than running models and probably hand on to DCC for the day we have to downsize to a smaller home and N gauge
Gets complicated with my sound equipped MM 121 and IRM 001 with F1 controlling engine start up and shut down & F3 horn (horrible sound)
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Glasgow & South Western Railway Class 403 2-6-0
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Saw Hattons and automatically assumed it was rtr, though I bought a few Gem locos kits from Hattons "back in the day"
Actual no's of locos built of popularity of a particular loco often seems to have little to do with a manufacturers/commissioners choice of a particular model the Triang "Nellie" was apparently inspired by the LSWR C14 not exactly a large or well known class and the recent Hornby Hush-Hush a "one off"
With the intense competition in the British model railway market whether Hornby Hobbies under its current owners focuses its energies away from model railways towards the high turnover toy end of the the market.