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minister_for_hardship
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With the passage of time, the longest lived and once seen everywhere logo is now the rarest of all to spot in the wild.
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This was for many years the definitive book on badges and buttons, long out of print.
There is an Irish section down the back, but mainly detailing buttons.
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33 minutes ago, josh_ said:
Where would u have in mind to enqiure? and would FOIs work to get details on the old signs?
Just go to your chosen stations, ask around if they still have the older signage still on hands after it was taken down. Maybe it got skipped, maybe got tossed into a back room if contractors weren't sure what to do with it. Worth a shot, don't ask, don't get.
FOI is probably not really of use for small scale stuff.
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19 hours ago, josh_ said:
Who and what department in irish rail be in charge of the old signs?
Enquire locally, in person. Going through departments rarely if ever works. An enquiry through formal channels gets forwarded through a merry go round of people unable or unwilling to do anything for you.
They are definitely missing a trick, they could easily offer obsolete signage that has been replaced for sale, maybe giving proceeds to charity. Good PR too.
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22 hours ago, josh_ said:
Also where did the old white and orange stripe IE signs go to as id love to be able to buy/get one of my 3 local stations
The metal skip most likely. There may be instances where they may get thrown into a store room to gather dust until a clear out.
You would really need to contact whoever is in charge before the old stuff comes down or better still be there on the spot when it's happening.
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17 hours ago, JasonB said:
I took these photos at Ballina station in October 2022.
Unfortunately, when I returned in 2024, the older signage had been replaced.
An interesting example of reusing the old tubular steel. Haven't seen that anywhere else.
Cork has an ancient faded network map showing the south wexford, no Ennis to Athenry, no midleton either.
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2 hours ago, Mol_PMB said:
The latest upload from the IRRS is a nice colour image of A6 in traffic in black and tan in October 1961:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/54340700855
Eight months later in June 1962, A28 was still running in tatty silver livery. Then it appeared in the all-over plain dark colour discussed in the posts above. Maybe they were using up old stocks of paint.
A lot of this can be down to practicalities. A loco is in for repainting, someone's there to do the job but there's not enough of the correct colour because someone else has forgotten to reorder. Rather than delaying / putting off the job, paint it with anything acceptable on hands because it's desperately wanted out in traffic again. We see oddball liveries to this day for pragmatic reasons, the public won't care what colour the loco pulling their train is.
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They had the blue/white scheme in the Telecom Eireann era. A very small number survived into Eircom days.
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Still lots of examples of the "three pin plug" logo in evidence. On rolling stock theres still etched glass on mirrors and sliding doors and luggage rack signs with them. Probably literally thousands of trespass and "keep back from yellow line" notices with the old IE.
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Still money to be made from shonky signs made out of Chinese bed irons.
Auctioneers are worse to be flogging this sh*te, especially when posing as experts on the Sunday newspaper supplements urging people to invest in so-called antiques. Del Boy Trotters most of them.
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C.I.E. in block caps was a placeholder "logo" until the broken wheel, but survived for a time on road transport containers and vehicles, uniform cap badges and some publicity material.
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On 24/1/2025 at 2:35 AM, GM073 said:
Quite a few years since this was posted - there's a RTR AEC Railcar produced by Silver Fox Models: https://silverfoxmodels.co.uk/cie-2600-class-railcar-aecpark-royal/
Has anyone any experience of these models? I think they are modelled at the time they were AEC driven as opposed to being pushed by the C Class???
On another point, could one of you learned gentlemen educate me what's the difference between black and tan and Supertrain livery?
Thanks,
Alan
I got a 2 car set in meantime, but as mentioned the shade of green is rather dull and has a blue tinge compared to the actual livery carried but better than nothing at all.
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Probably was one of the very few reinforced concrete water towers on the island?
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Open to correction, but I recall it was coaches in as-built bare aluminium sheet rather than being painted silver.
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Re the SSM Sulzer kit, how is the body supposed to be fixed to the chassis?
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34 minutes ago, irishrailways52 said:
I'm bighting the bullet. I'm answering my destiny. I'm going to buy a locomotive. just trying to figure out where to put it. any ideas
Get advice before putting cash down, find out what your selected one is worth. It is not unknown for bodies like BnM to take the Michael.
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Why and when did the station building go?
Was there pre ww2, gone by the sixties
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1 hour ago, Mol_PMB said:
Lovely! The butcher's van in the background is making me hungry - perhaps a fry will be in order tomorrow morning?
It's quite a bit different to the classic diecast van Denny's themselves had as a free offer with sausage labels some years back.
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1 hour ago, airfixfan said:
That Swilly plate is most interesting
Indeed, haven't seen a tonnage plate in fractions of a ton.
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Following the discussion on PO wagons, decided to have a Google on the Murphy Brothers Limited wagons as released by Murphy's Models.
Found this rather sad family history, modelling wise the company name as depicted on the wagons passed out of use as early as 1909.
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An Irish example, quite scarce due to rarity of PO wagons on the Irish system.
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4 hours ago, Mol_PMB said:
Old thread, I know, but I'm interested because I'm currently working on a model. This is a still from an IRRS video clip dated 1975, showing both a Ranks liveried one and a CIE brown one. My part-finished model is currently in grey but I'm tempted by the brown option!
I think this IRRS photo shows the same two wagons:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53511551080/
On the question of ownership, this IRRS photo of a Ranks wagon, look closely at the solebar just to the right of the ladder. That plate shaped like a London Underground sign is a Railway Clearing House private owner wagon registration plate. That proves it's not a GSR/CIE wagon but genuinely a private owner.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53510435707
The RCH plate is also visible on this image linked from another thread. Incidentally, note the ex-GNR grain hopper van on the left.
This is a black and white photo showing two freshly painted in Ranks livery at Inchicore in the 1950s. Your guess is as good as mine on the livery, but the underframe looks darker than the body:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53509298965
Finally, on the left hand side of this image are a pair of GSR-liveried ones with a nice overhead view, if a little distant:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53509038168
I'm beginning to wonder if I should have bought more than one kit...
When repainted from Ranks livery to GSR/CIE markings does that indicate Ranks sold them off?
Old signs on the network
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Flying snail 1945-1964 (1941-1964 if you count DUTC use)
Broken wheel 1964-1986, continued as is as group/tours logo until 2000 makeover. Stand corrected.
The IR Killarney junction logo was quite clever but short-lived. The IE one didn't last much longer. Gotta keep those design consultant boys in a job I guess.