Colin R

Hi Ken do you happen to have the contact detail of who produce the book? As I would love to buy a copy. Colin

Hi Mayner. Your not kidding about them being works of art, both of them would make great kits or models, I don't suppose you fancy spreading your wings a bit and having a go at making a kit from them? They would go very nicely with an upcoming loco kit release, me thinks. Colin PS I wonder where all the original drawings are now?

Well done Eoin that is great, there looks like a great deal of information on there. Colin

Something I forgot to say was that Allen from Worsley Works was only too happy to produce kits if he has access to accurate drawings. Colin

Hi guys thanks for the information, yes once the location is known it is much easier to find this stuff, I have been in contact with the Walker Bros archives sadly they are not available at present but the curator does have my details if anything should turn up, he is hoping to get to the railway record section some time next year, but it is like everything else, ie the lack of money to pay for the people to sort out the collection, i got the impression that there is only one or two people looking after the walker archives. Colin

Hi guys this should have gone to IRM and not the list Colin

Thanks Richard, I do need to contact them again to see what they have narrow gauge (3ft) wise, there is a lot of interest in the larger gauge from a few well established 009 modeller's at the moment, it would be a pity to put them off just because it is so difficult to find any information. Colin

Hi Richard, sadly I am not this year, as I am working that weekend. But I do need to contact them regards rolling stock drawings, I know they where working on some of the GNR(I) stuff a couple of years ago. I am at the moment trying to contact the HMRS regarding the Cork, Blackrock & Passage Railway rolling stock drawings Worsley work do most of the carriages except the 3rd class saloon (2 compartment type) and the 1st class saloon Brake which had a Brake section, one compartment and then the rest taking up a 24ft saloon section. Regards Colin

You are so right I don't fit in to any of them, but it is very good observation from you, I was thinking in terms of showing there is more to modelling just the UK railway scene. I know they have had some narrow gauge models in one show and there has been a half hearted effort to show some mainland European railways, But an Irish based layout with all the folk law that has to be a winner

After the airing of episode 1 I was told by my man at Peco that almost every copy of railway modeller and continental model that was still on the shelves (in the UK) had gone by the following morning the knock on effect is that the next issues of both magazines has been doubled in production. Also it must have been good TV as they have commissioned a second series surly we have enough people on here that would be willing to form a team from the Green island that would like to compete? ( PS I am ruling my self out of this as I am not from Ireland).

Now I am in trouble I like the photo of the dirty silver loco which means this could be a second mortgage for this lot ( I though I could just about allow my self three of these but the number is now creeping up) if I decide to buy those I want. Colin

Thanks Garfield. I wonder who might have some drawings of them in that case, it would be a limited market to say the least, but I fancy having one at some time. Colin

Just doing some research and I came across a loco no B113 as being the Irish prototype, so how many difference is there between the new model and this prototype and dare i ask, is the a kit of B113 anywhere? Colin

Hi Fran Thanks Fran that is clear, I might have to ask for one in each shade of green, but then I could just about get away with a Black and Tan liveried loco as well (Oh Dear) Colin

Hi Fran I think the card has paid in full for the A1 Model, I am however thinking in terms of two others in Green livery, I need to look at the history of this class and then decide on what else I would like, I don't think I will have any of the later liveries, but I would like to get one that has been rebuild with the better engine. I need to go and read up on there history Colin

WOW!!!!!!!! can you remind me how I go about ordering these locos again. For sure I want an A1 in silver and I would also like at least one in green as well. The period I am modelling will be 1950's to earlier 1960's so I guess that means as built, also can they be fitted from new with 21mm gauge axles? I am not to bothered about what numbers they are since I guess that they all got around over the years. Fantastic models by the way Regards Colin R PS Just pre-ordered an A1 in silver hopefully for 21mm gauge.

Lots of stuff on here Glover, and thanks for the reply which is more that just useful. I am drifting toward using Downpartick in some form or other, as it has everything I like in a country terminus. I think I will end up only using the track plan and building all the railway buildings to a more standard Irish outlook (stone effect plasticard), but that is all for the future. Colin

Hi Glover just found your workshop thread so starting at the beginning with the above coach, you mentioned that you added some evergreen strip to the body was that at the top or the bottom of the sides, what size was it if you can recall? if you can't what was is the new side height of the body shell? I have just come into the ownership of about 6 or 7 of these coaches (I was going to build some Isle of Man 3ft gauge style coaches from them until i saw you Irish Broad Gauge efforts). Finally for now what is the width you have built it to? regards Colin

When I started this thread, I didn't have to hand the book on the Dublin and South Eastern Railway by Ernie Shepherd and Gerry Beesley. Even if you don't have a copy, it is worth getting even if it is just for the drawings in the back of it. It only arrived today, so I can't give a fair review but it looks good on first viewing. One of the biggest problems for rolling stock is locating accurate drawings or details to which to build from. I think some one on here said that a load of drawings where transferred over to the IRRS. A lot of models will be at best, guesstimates, but at some point I hope the information that the IRRS has will be made available. Hi Glover, yes I will have a look to see what you have been up to, I don't think you can have enough rolling stock to be honest, but cattle wagons are a must, but just how many I should get, well that is another matter. As I understand it the British Government decided to standard the various sizes of Cattle wagons in the latter part of the 1800's so you could end up with small, medium or large wagons. From what i have so far found out Irish Railways used mainly the Medium and Large wagons, the small size ones where those based on railways such as the Tralee and Dingle and the other Irish 3ft gauge lines. This came about due to the poor conditions that the cattle traveled in and this was changed manly by the complaints from the Irish cattle drovers at the time the cattle arriving at market in poor condition and thus they could not get top dollar for the animals, it was the threat of a strike and refusing to take the cattle by railways into London that got the standards approved. Colin

Hi that was what i was thinking, I have now added an Airfix Auto coach body to try and make it into something which looks like a GNR(I) Railcar. I also now have another Hornby 113 railcar center coach body which looks a bit like one of the coaches at Downpartick (I have to move one of the doors and a window or two, but I hope it will look the part once I have finished it). The only thing I am not surer about is do I try and build them to Irish width?, I am not sure if the prototypes where build to a wider body width, but I will try and find out about them, I don't suppose it will do any harm if they are or not. Colin

Hi Brassnut, Loads of stuff on the internet, but the basic of basic has to be Ohm's Law V= I X R i am not sure if this will work here but here goes anyway The Ohms Law Triangle V -------------------------- I X R How this works is simple, replace the various letters with the known values in our case V = 12 (volts) and lets say R (resistance) is 5 Ohms You get a diagram like this 12 ------------------------ 12 / 5 = 2.4 Amps I x 5 Transpose the 12 to be divided by 5 and you will get 2.4 Amps this then take the place of I (Current or Amps) in the triangle, it is all about basic math's of plus, minus, multiplication and division. Here is a site I have had a brief look at so I don't know how good it is. https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/voltage-current-resistance-and-ohms-law/all But it should give you the idea of what you might want to know if you want to take up electronics as a career, check out Amazon for any electrical educational books, but be aware that those from America deal with different voltages and power cycles. One site in the UK is worth looking at and that is the IET site, while it is British the standards are now mostly trans European and should be complied with in most of the EU https://www.theiet.org/resources/books/ Hope this helps regards Colin

While I have been doing some research in to Tooban Junction, I had a moment which has now cost me a bit of money. Now while we may all have our own favorite bit of the Irish railway network, it occurred to me, that the rolling stock at any of the Heritage sites does not always get a fair crack of the whip as they say. So I am starting to look around to see which OO scale models I can convert into the following coaches based at Downpartick 1) BCDR No 72 Bogie Railmotor 2) BCDR No 148/152 Bogie coaches 3) GSWR No. 836 4) UTA No. 728 5) GSWR No. 1097 At this stage it is just to get a feel for these coaches, but I hope that at some stage when I can get my hands on any drawings, I will try and pursued Allen from Worsley works to produce the basic kit in brass. I know that some Bachmann LMS coaches can fill a bit of gap, and there are a few 4/6 wheel kits out there as well. But looking at a number of UK based coaches, I do see there are some standard bits of styling which also happen to be on some of the Irish stock. The biggest thing to remember is that a lot of Irish stock was built to 9ft 6in width. So here goes another research thread, anyone like to add to the list of possible heritage coaching stock that can be adapted from existing OO scale RTR coaches, I do have a copy of Stephen and Alan's Modelling Irish Railways but like all modelling books this was printed before some of the later coaches where offered on sale, there will be some changes I am sure but for now I leave this open for discussion. Colin

A few years ago I saw a copy of Jane's World Railways in the local Library and it had (at the time) all the then current details of track and clearance details of just about all the railways of the World. It might be worth trying to find a copy. Colin

Thanks Noel, that is great stuff. Just found some old model mags going by the name of 'practical model railways' there was an article by a Mr Shane McQuillan on how to build a class 80 DEMU. Just out of interest is Mr McQuillan a member of this forum? Sadly I did not get that many issues of this mag but I would still like to know if I missed anything, plan wise. Colin

Hi John now sorted deposits will be left for (2) 2-4-0's once I have the details, As for the class 52 I have been told this won't happen until next year at the earliest, and as you say I think there will be others to come. Overlays yes please. Colin