Colin R

Hi Glover just found your workshop thread so starting at the beginning with the above coach, you mentioned that you added some evergreen strip to the body was that at the top or the bottom of the sides, what size was it if you can recall? if you can't what was is the new side height of the body shell? I have just come into the ownership of about 6 or 7 of these coaches (I was going to build some Isle of Man 3ft gauge style coaches from them until i saw you Irish Broad Gauge efforts). Finally for now what is the width you have built it to? regards Colin

When I started this thread, I didn't have to hand the book on the Dublin and South Eastern Railway by Ernie Shepherd and Gerry Beesley. Even if you don't have a copy, it is worth getting even if it is just for the drawings in the back of it. It only arrived today, so I can't give a fair review but it looks good on first viewing. One of the biggest problems for rolling stock is locating accurate drawings or details to which to build from. I think some one on here said that a load of drawings where transferred over to the IRRS. A lot of models will be at best, guesstimates, but at some point I hope the information that the IRRS has will be made available. Hi Glover, yes I will have a look to see what you have been up to, I don't think you can have enough rolling stock to be honest, but cattle wagons are a must, but just how many I should get, well that is another matter. As I understand it the British Government decided to standard the various sizes of Cattle wagons in the latter part of the 1800's so you could end up with small, medium or large wagons. From what i have so far found out Irish Railways used mainly the Medium and Large wagons, the small size ones where those based on railways such as the Tralee and Dingle and the other Irish 3ft gauge lines. This came about due to the poor conditions that the cattle traveled in and this was changed manly by the complaints from the Irish cattle drovers at the time the cattle arriving at market in poor condition and thus they could not get top dollar for the animals, it was the threat of a strike and refusing to take the cattle by railways into London that got the standards approved. Colin

Hi that was what i was thinking, I have now added an Airfix Auto coach body to try and make it into something which looks like a GNR(I) Railcar. I also now have another Hornby 113 railcar center coach body which looks a bit like one of the coaches at Downpartick (I have to move one of the doors and a window or two, but I hope it will look the part once I have finished it). The only thing I am not surer about is do I try and build them to Irish width?, I am not sure if the prototypes where build to a wider body width, but I will try and find out about them, I don't suppose it will do any harm if they are or not. Colin

Hi Brassnut, Loads of stuff on the internet, but the basic of basic has to be Ohm's Law V= I X R i am not sure if this will work here but here goes anyway The Ohms Law Triangle V -------------------------- I X R How this works is simple, replace the various letters with the known values in our case V = 12 (volts) and lets say R (resistance) is 5 Ohms You get a diagram like this 12 ------------------------ 12 / 5 = 2.4 Amps I x 5 Transpose the 12 to be divided by 5 and you will get 2.4 Amps this then take the place of I (Current or Amps) in the triangle, it is all about basic math's of plus, minus, multiplication and division. Here is a site I have had a brief look at so I don't know how good it is. https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/voltage-current-resistance-and-ohms-law/all But it should give you the idea of what you might want to know if you want to take up electronics as a career, check out Amazon for any electrical educational books, but be aware that those from America deal with different voltages and power cycles. One site in the UK is worth looking at and that is the IET site, while it is British the standards are now mostly trans European and should be complied with in most of the EU https://www.theiet.org/resources/books/ Hope this helps regards Colin

While I have been doing some research in to Tooban Junction, I had a moment which has now cost me a bit of money. Now while we may all have our own favorite bit of the Irish railway network, it occurred to me, that the rolling stock at any of the Heritage sites does not always get a fair crack of the whip as they say. So I am starting to look around to see which OO scale models I can convert into the following coaches based at Downpartick 1) BCDR No 72 Bogie Railmotor 2) BCDR No 148/152 Bogie coaches 3) GSWR No. 836 4) UTA No. 728 5) GSWR No. 1097 At this stage it is just to get a feel for these coaches, but I hope that at some stage when I can get my hands on any drawings, I will try and pursued Allen from Worsley works to produce the basic kit in brass. I know that some Bachmann LMS coaches can fill a bit of gap, and there are a few 4/6 wheel kits out there as well. But looking at a number of UK based coaches, I do see there are some standard bits of styling which also happen to be on some of the Irish stock. The biggest thing to remember is that a lot of Irish stock was built to 9ft 6in width. So here goes another research thread, anyone like to add to the list of possible heritage coaching stock that can be adapted from existing OO scale RTR coaches, I do have a copy of Stephen and Alan's Modelling Irish Railways but like all modelling books this was printed before some of the later coaches where offered on sale, there will be some changes I am sure but for now I leave this open for discussion. Colin

A few years ago I saw a copy of Jane's World Railways in the local Library and it had (at the time) all the then current details of track and clearance details of just about all the railways of the World. It might be worth trying to find a copy. Colin

Thanks Noel, that is great stuff. Just found some old model mags going by the name of 'practical model railways' there was an article by a Mr Shane McQuillan on how to build a class 80 DEMU. Just out of interest is Mr McQuillan a member of this forum? Sadly I did not get that many issues of this mag but I would still like to know if I missed anything, plan wise. Colin

Hi John now sorted deposits will be left for (2) 2-4-0's once I have the details, As for the class 52 I have been told this won't happen until next year at the earliest, and as you say I think there will be others to come. Overlays yes please. Colin

As an addition to the above, can anyone help me locate some drawings of these coaches? I have a feeling it appeared in a modeling magazine in the late 1970's early 1980's but I can't recall which one. Colin

Many years ago I saw a poster on a photo from the Cavan and Leitrim Railway, it was very basis as I recall it said something like see Ireland by Train and it had CIE at the bottom of the poster, must have been in the 1950's I guess? Anyone seen any railway posters from that time, it would be good to see what it would look like in colour

OK I give up (for now) I have been trying to find the links to two new loco kits one MGWR 2-4-0 Tender loco????? and the other a GSR 4-4-0 Tender loco. I have said yes to both, but I need to pay some one a deposit on a couple of them can anyone out there help me find them again, Thanks in advance for any help. Colin

I don't as a rule say much about mags. But I though you guys might be interested in this one as it has an article about converting a Bachmann BR Mk 1 BSK into an Irish Rail Generating Steam Van. I haven't read it yet, but the funny thing is, I have just brought a Bachmann BSK (from eBay) to do exactly the same thing. Also and just as a link, I have also just purchased a couple of USA Tanks (nice tank locos) but the plan is to make them both 21mm gauge (yes I know Ireland never had any, but I can always dream that either the NCC or GNR(i) acquired a couple after the war for shunting around Belfast or out on the Derry Road somewhere and both ended up on the SL&NCR and somehow they both survived to be purchased for preservation. Colin Just found the original thread here

Well that looks like the next kit then, I have to also admit that the DX looks the part as well.

Wow that looks very nice John. would you be willing to do some of your overlay etches for other people? Colin

That could be a possibility as the chassis would need to be done to scale. Colin

Hi Patrick You need to contact Lytchettmanor models on the following link http://lytchettmanor.co.uk.websitebuilder.prositehosting.co.uk/lytchett-manor/news-archive He does not have the display on the web site at the moment, but if you contact him he will let you know how much the kit will be. Colin

Hi all I have just read that Q Kits used to produce a model of these locos, but since they are no more, I was wondering if anyone had any drawings of the prototype that could be copied for a kit to be made, I am not sure how popular they would be, but given Worsley works do the G611 type I wonder if anyone else (subject to finding the drawings) might be interested in this one as well. Colin

Hi all, coming back to the MGWR coaches for a moment any one considered them as a 3D prints? or using a Silhouette Cameo cutter to make up the bits in plastikard and then glue them together? Look at the following thread http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/79025-a-guide-to-using-the-silhouette-cameo-cutter/ Colin

Should have given this book a look before I asked, but there is a photo on Page 62 of the type of coach I am looking for, but I don't think it is a tri composite, I can only assume that they became another GNR(I) coach group K27? Colin

Hi all. Yet another hare to start running, I have been reading DSM Barries book on the DN&GR, now while the locos are still available from the GEM successors and Worsley work do most of the ex LNWR 6 wheeled coaches, I am at a lost to find anything about the Bogie Composite coaches they used on the Belfast Boat Express. I understand they where 54ft but that does not make any sense as far as the LNWR is concerned since they where only building 50ft coaches at the time so to build something which was longer does not make any sense, so I am wondering if anyone may have that rare photo of these coaches while the DN&GR was still operating. As far as I know there is not a kit for them so it looks like a butcher job on some Ratio coaches. I have had a look on the net but so far have not come across any photos of them. Regards Colin

Yes most definitely rule one applies here thanks for your thoughts Robert Colin

I am sure the IRPS will have the details in the files somewhere, but who to ask. Colin

Hi guys the proposed 21mm gauge model I am planning on doing needs some rolling stock, I have about a dozen or so wagons ready to convert to 21mm and I have about 6 Triang GWR clerestory coaches which I plan to do the same with. However as an experiment I would like to buy some Mk 2 coaches and run them as a set. The question is which manufacture does the better coaches closer to the Irish type Bachman? Hornby? Lima? Airfix? I am not in to the Orange and Black period so I also plan to use them to work on my paint spraying technique so they will be turned out in something like CIE coach green (well that's the plan anyway) so any preference would be welcome. I think I read somewhere that mk2 bodies shells of type A, B and F have been used in Ireland but I just wanted to be sure. Colin

This link should help http://www.cometmodels.co.uk/ Look for Building Coaches the Comet Way then download and enjoy reading Colin I still need to download it (again) and re read it as there is always something which I missed on the last time I read it.

I did ask some one at Peco a couple of years ago and the answer was if you can find some one to stump up the design cash they would do it, just need to win the euro lottery in that case, if that happen I would also go to Bachmann and ask them to do all the MM in 21mm gauge as well (now that would set the cat among the pigeons). Colin