Colin R

Hi Guys.

I have a big thank you from David the person who asked me to ask you lot, like so much of this, it will no doubt, also bring out more questions, which I am sure he will ask me to ask you again.

As for the exact shade of Green that may be impossible to give a final answer to, since each batch was made up to order and you had different pigments then.

Thanks you once again.

Colin     

Sorry Guys

Hi Mods can you move this to the Hints and tips section thanks

Hi all

I just got this from a friend can any one help him out?

Colin 

Dear all,

Happy New Year.

A friend, David Hurst (Model Engine Works), has produced a 3D print of the original S&S tram loco (in 4mm scale) as rebuilt in 1906.

He would like to complete the model in the shade of green that was used at the time. What might that shade have been? Boyd just says 'green'. Might there be further info in the Oakwood Press book (I do not have a copy).

I have found a photo of a model od a S&S loco on the internet that is in a mid-green finish but this of course could just be an educated guess by its builder.

I doubt that there is a definitive answer at this stage (unless there is more info in the Oakwood book) as so many years have elapsed. Probably a case of choose the shade of green you like maybe?

Best wishes,
Paul

Hi All

It occured to me, to ask I wonder what hints or tips do any of you guys use to makes your models either quicker or better long term.

The one tip I can give is that when I can get into doing some modeling on a new layout, I tend to make up a cardboard mock up to get a 3D view of the project before I start to build any new buildings, I find this helps to also to locate the position of any proposed building  or change them around for a better fit.

Does anyone else do things like this?

Colin    

1 hour ago, Darren.d said:

Iv gotten some styrene and am waiting on windows to come from the uk.windows are really not ideal but I can't find what I want.card is great to knock things up quickly.a 3d in the hand item to take measurements and to do wrong and redo is very interesting.this is all new to me so everything is learning hands on.

Dar.

Hi Darren if you have the time check out York modelling services :- https://yorkmodelrail.com/

They used to do a service that if you can provide them with the details they can laser cut the windows for you.

2 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

I’d love to see a working model of Ramsey!

One day may be 

On 27/11/2022 at 1:27 PM, Darren.d said:

Without equal the worst cardboard mock up in the history of model railways.but in saying that,gives me a 3d look at what I'm going to attempt to build.due to being unable to find a correct size of window cabin wont be to scale length by about 40 mm.i think.

Hi Darren.

Cardboard mock ups are the way that a number of my friends and myself use all the time to see if something works, I have as yet to go to the next stage but I have as mock ups Ramsey station and workshop from the isle of man and a very much freelance Cavan and Leitrim Station building again from an Alphagraphix card kit, as has been said they are great to work out the sizes for parts you don't know from photos and also great before you start to cutout the finished model.        

15 hours ago, Galteemore said:

Is it possibly Ballymacarrett Junction? That was regular Baltic territory.

could well be as I saw it on the defuncted BCDR website

Yes I am aware of the Ulster & Connaught from Clifden to Greenore as that one appears in the old H Fayle book on Irish Narrow Gauge Railways.

I think we have already discussed the proposed routes in Donegal to be run by either the Donegal or the Swilly.

Just to complete the picture I now need to find a map showing all of the Donegal bus and transport routes.      

David, I know that itch and it is so hard not to scratch it, but to take your concept a bit further have to looked at the road haulage map of the old Swilly Railway Co?

If you have, you will have seen so many possible lines to all these places in that part of Donegal.

I often wonder what LetterKenny would have looked like if all those road haulage routes had been Railways? and what about independence? I have this vision of a new line coming into Letterkenny direct from Stranorlar and the Donegal.

But as a final twist how about this, I think I read somewhere that around 1923 there was a proposal to merge both the Donegal and the Swilly into one company with over 400miles of 3ft gauge railways.

But that is not all, I don't know if it was true, but I am sure there was a proposal (beside your model) to built a 3ft gauge line to link the Donegal, the Cavan and Leitrim, the SLNCR and the GNR(I) all at one location. I don't know the geography of the area to see if it was even possible, but I think it was Jhb that told me there were more proposed Railway's in Ireland than the rest of the UK and boy did we end up with some crackpot schemes.         

Beside the CIE livery ones, I have pre ordered the Midland and BR version crimson coaches to represent the old B&NCR stock, there will be a bit of respraying to be done, I have a photo somewhere of 14 B&NCR 6 wheelers heading down towards Ballynahinch Junction behind a large Baltic Tank, another photo I have seen has 7 coaches behind the same class of loco.

Sadly I have missed out on the GNR version to represent the GNR(I) as they have all been sold, but I think they may make another appearance at some time, I am not sure just how much this little lot is going to cost me, but I won't be short of 6 wheel coaches.

Wasn't the old Dublin and South Eastern carriage livery Crimson/ Maroon as well?

I wonder what sort of run numbers do you think they would have to do for each model, I can see that most of the Irish (CIE) models going to people on here.

Which begs the question I wonder if they might do a second run with different numbers?

Anybody know of a decent bank rate loan? I think this has just become very expensive.

How many are in the range? 

All the best wishes to you all and enjoy yourselves over this period

Colin

A couple of links which I hope work

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GS%26WR_Class_362#Sources

https://ia600509.us.archive.org/19/items/locomotivesof19000lake/locomotivesof19000lake.pdf

On 19/12/2022 at 9:30 PM, BosKonay said:

Our manor features diecast chassis, footplate and body

Is it just me or could this be taken as the direction of travel for a steam loco? 

Hi Guys for some of you this will be to late but I have just come across The first great train robbery which is now on BBC 2 21/12/22

Colin Rainsbury

Hi all,

I think this has been said before, but are the two Gents who produced the carriage book still about or are known to anyone on this forum?

I am just wondering if they would be prepared to do the book again for those of us who missed out last time, I am sure it would sell

Thanks 

Colin Rainsbury  

1 hour ago, Andy Cundick said:

Or can simply use the Wills kit it regauges quite nicely to 21mm gauge and you can have it whatever colour you want,Andy

I also have a pair of these awaiting the day for a layout of 21mm so a K1 and a K1a might have to be be made

2 hours ago, GSR 800 said:

Very nice conversion, suitably filthy!

The bachmann models have their place in modelling history, but they are starting to show their age. The body itself holds up quite well (when it doesn't suffer from mazac rot) but the chassis is pretty subpar and not suited for any modification (one can see Noel's difficulties in chipping them). The coupler is an interesting one, it was a failed attempt at something I've seen work 20 years later in N scale. 

 

I was under the impression that the Bachman body shell were plastic?

This is beginning to sound like a modelling challenge coming up

if you look on eBay you can pick one up for around £50.00

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313&_nkw=BACHMANN+OO+Scale+N+class+&_sacat=0

On 14/12/2022 at 10:41 PM, leslie10646 said:

As I observed before, this thread is better than TV.

David has hit the nail on the head. If you want things from the steam and/or the steam/diesel transition era, then you will have to do a lot yourself, so the sooner you start .....

I model GNR(I), so I wanted a Class VS (Colm Flanagan), a S Class (three built for me in Hong Kong by the esteemed Daniel Wu (an Interior designer!) but heavily modified by Alan Edgar), Class SG (also Hong Kong and one built in England) and of course Class T Glover Tanks (now three!).  All, except Colm's VS are SSM kits. The Classes AL and  PP (Northstar) were a bonus, gratefully received. That's 25 years of expensive collecting.

No manufacturer, even with Squillions of Euros to spend is going to equip my shed with the things I want RTR!

If I was into the GSR (and its predecessors) I would have had a much harder job. J15s, Yes - Thanks Terry McD; the little MGWR tank; GSR coaches (SSM) but none of the many 4-4-0s John M speaks of. The Woolwich Mogul was, of course, a gift thanks to its Irish designer. So thnaks, Bachmann.

Whatever IRM come up with, it'll do well because it will be unique and even if you're modelling a different railway, you should still buy one and find a reason for having it (like my J15s and MGWR 2-4-0 at Portadown Jct!).

And don't whinge about the price - compared with my list (£500 each, maybe) it'll be a bargain.

I have a load of IRM's stuff, which has NO place whatever on a 1950s GNR layout, but thinking back to the 1960s when I first attempted an Irish layout, I can only encourage those who may take my hobby on long after I am gone.

 Hi Leslie, I can go along with this as I had forgotten about my pair Woolwich Moguls which are still in their boxes since I brought them, I guess we are spoiled in the UK with all the loco drawings which are available, yet while there are some Irish drawings about, it has been for me at least harder to tack down these drawing .

3 hours ago, Mayner said:

Many older more established modellers had similar concerns about the future of railway modelling when I first started modelling as a teenager about 50 years ago. The majority of the older generation modelled the "Big Four"/BR steam era, Irish railways were basically off the radar apart from a small group of scratchbuilders.

At the increasing popularity in modelling Irish railways was largely driven by a small group of modellers in Ireland and the UK who during the 1970s/80s built models of Irish locos and stock and a number layouts that appeared at exhibitions and in magazines. The greater interest in Irish modelling encouraged  people like Ian Mc Nally (MIR), Terry Mc Dermott (TMD & SSM Kits) and Mike Cole (Q Kits) to produce models of Irish locos and stock (some high quality, others less so).

While  RTR manufacturers and commissioners have a proven capability to produce high quality rtr models of  locos and stock, the availability of relatively low cost models from China is contributing to un-realistic expectations of what can be produced and more seriously a hollowing out of the hobby with the closure of several specialist UK suppliers and kit manufacturers with a potentially serious impact on people who intend to model Irish railways in the steam or transition era.

Its unlikely that it would be financially for IRM or MM to produce a representative selection of locos and stock required to operate a CIE 'transition from steam" era layout set during the 1950s while it may be viable to produce a C Class, AEC Railcar set with 1953 Buffet Car, Open Second, Side Corridor,  Brake Second, a Park Royal, Laminate coach (post 1956) (3 different types), its unlikely that it would be economic to produce vehicles ran singly (demand 1-2 per customer?) such as BR BSGVs, Bulleid 4w vans.

The Steam era opens up its own unique rabbit hole while wooden bodied GSWR/GSR side corridor coaches and Bredin stock were fairly widespread, ex-CBSCR, DSER and MGWR coaching stock were still in widespread use on their sections into the 1950s,  MGWR Post WW1 Corridor coaches (most comfortable 3rd/2nd Class coaches in Ireland) were also used on GSWR mail line and Midland 6w scattered far and wide, but seldom appearing in solid trains of 6w stock.

Locos open up a whole can of worms passenger trains were largely hauled by pre-amalgamation 4-4-0s until replaced by diesel railcars or locomotives from the mid to the late 50s. GSWR-5 Classes large 4-4-0, 3 Classes small 4-4-0, MGWR 3 Classes large 4-4-0, 1 Class small 4-4-0, 1 Class 2-4-0. The GSWR, MGWR and DSER each had their own "Standard" (J 15 size) and large Classes of Goods Locomotive. What about Tank locomotives, what about the Great Northern, the NCC, BCDR and dare we say it SLNCR with its unique sense of uniqueness.

 

Hi John 

Do you happen to have a list of the Irish locos Q Kits produced? I think they ended up in the MTK range, but they appear to be currently missing.

Regards

Colin Rainsbury 

Two UK base companies which have called time are Eileen's Emporium the best supplier for all those small parts one needs and Coopercraft.

This second company has already been broken up with Cambrian Models taking over the Cooper Craft wagon Range.

What is going to happen to Eileen's Emporium stock no one know for sure, but if anyone know of a similar supplier please let us all know.   

I guess what is needed for the Scratch/Kit builder is an extension of the Terry Mc Dermott (TMD & SSM Kits) range. on the lines of something like Worsley Works.

I don't know for sure how many kits John has been able to sell from New Zealand, but ONe company from Aussie (Outback Models) have had to stop the production and selling of their 4mm scale Lynton and Barnstaple Railway Station kit range, due to the high cost of shipping.

As things stand right now I can't see myself or the Bank Account, accepting any more models for the next few months.

Colin Rainsbury       

29 minutes ago, DiveController said:

This is what concerns me most regarding future modelling of Irish railways. While there seems to be something of a following for the  pre-grouping era in GB, there seem to be fewer who do and will remember or have any nostalgic association with early CIE, let alone the GSR, or GSWR ....

Not withstanding what IRM have achieved in 5 years which is a good business model and an innovative and quality series of products, there has really not been any readily available early period traction, track or stock that might revive interest in that era  

The problem will come, once all the current Irish Railway locos, carriage and good stock have been made available, where do you go to? sure popular modelling has alway followed what is currently out there on the mainline as it reminds us of what is out there to be seen.

Purley as a suggestion you understand, but you could then go back and visit all the heritage sites, Cultra, Whitehead and Downpatrick to start with, to see what they have. 

However going back to the days of steam, I am at more of a disadvantage that most of you guys are In Ireland since I live over the waters in Kent, England.

That said my interest has alway been the Donegal (why? I don't think I could give you a sensible answer etc that I happen to like big red steam locos), but the more research I do the more interest I get in the general Irish rail scene. So much so that if I had the space something based on Strabane could be considered for a model, having both gauges of 12mm and 21mm on it.

Colin Rainsbury    

On 17/11/2022 at 10:20 PM, DiveController said:

They didn’t go for it ..

shame