GS&WR goods stock

[Johnny B. Good]

Hi Guys,

I hope you are all well. In my slow but continuing research into the GS&WR I came up with a question I thought I’d ask you experts: I’m trying to come up with a list of what you might have seen on any given day pre-GSR days. 
So so far this is my list and apologies if I’m not using the right names for them all: 

Centre Canvas Goods vans

Cattle wagons

5 plank (coal?) wagons

3 plank wagons?

2 plank wagons

Brake van (thank you Leslie! Lol)

Hopper wagons

Petrol tankers.

JB had told me that starting out I should concentrate on getting the first 3 above (as that was what you’d probably see most often), and I have. But something just got me thinking recently what else you might have seen coming down the tracks back then. Like for example would you have seen dairy tankers? I know in places like Kerry the milk was brought to the local creamery but from there was it loaded onto tankers?
I did try to find a list like this somewhere online but couldn’t. But, a while back Mayner gave me a great explanation about the Petrol tankers so I just thought ask about others here. 
All the best, 

John

[jhb171achill]

Tankers - good question; but unlike rural areas in Britain, we didn't have milk tankers hyere - milk travelled in churns in vans, ideally ventialetd ones but in winter any sort of goods van would do.

As for petrol, little or none; petrol was carried in canisters, again in wagons.

In my next book I will be describing a raid on wagons carrying petrol for the British Army use in Loughrea in 1920 - this cargo was of significant size, but was housed in ordinary goods vans.

Hopper wagons were all 4-wheeled and only used (perhaps obviously!) on ballast trains.

In a rainy country, the vast majority of wagons on normal trains were goods vans, either with full roof or the so-called "soft-tops" - officially convertible vans. Opens of all numbers of planks were on most goods trains too, but would usually be in the minority. 4 and 5 planks were the most common.

On fair days, out came the cattle trucks. Depending on local cattle marts, these could be just 2 or 3 in the regular goods train, or perhaps 100 or more loaded at a single location and despatched in a number of special trains, which could load to over 40 wagons and van.

And yes, Leslie's GSWR goods brake is superb; two of these are at Dugort Harbour.

[Mayner]

Its possible the GSWR had a small number of cresote tank wagons for treating sleepers.

The MGWR originally bought a pair of rectangular tank wagons for transporting cresote in the early 1900s and later replaced them with a pair of cylindrical tank wagons in the early 20s.

Both rectangular and cylindrical tank wagons would have been standard types bought from one of the large British Wagon Builders.

[Johnny B. Good]

On 18/6/2023 at 6:57 PM, jhb171achill said:

Tankers - good question; but unlike rural areas in Britain, we didn't have milk tankers hyere - milk travelled in churns in vans, ideally ventialetd ones but in winter any sort of goods van would do.

As for petrol, little or none; petrol was carried in canisters, again in wagons.

In my next book I will be describing a raid on wagons carrying petrol for the British Army use in Loughrea in 1920 - this cargo was of significant size, but was housed in ordinary goods vans.

Hopper wagons were all 4-wheeled and only used (perhaps obviously!) on ballast trains.

In a rainy country, the vast majority of wagons on normal trains were goods vans, either with full roof or the so-called "soft-tops" - officially convertible vans. Opens of all numbers of planks were on most goods trains too, but would usually be in the minority. 4 and 5 planks were the most common.

On fair days, out came the cattle trucks. Depending on local cattle marts, these could be just 2 or 3 in the regular goods train, or perhaps 100 or more loaded at a single location and despatched in a number of special trains, which could load to over 40 wagons and van.

And yes, Leslie's GSWR goods brake is superb; two of these are at Dugort Harbour.

So Jonathan if I focus on making/getting the centre canvas vans, cattle trucks and 5 plank wagons, my next question is just: was there any uniformity in length, width or wheel distance with these three? Some cattle trucks look huge and others look smaller to me. And some model kits (like Slater’s) the dimensions between different types seem identical. Were the roofed vans the same as the canvas vans just with a full roof? And did the GS&WR have a unique Horsebox?

Thanks,

John

Edited June 21, 2023 by Johnny B. Good

[Johnny B. Good]

I found this photo on another thread where it was said that this is GS&WR horse box. Is that right?:

[jhb171achill]

4 hours ago, Johnny B. Good said:

I found this photo on another thread where it was said that this is GS&WR horse box. Is that right?:

Correct, though an unusual design.

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

Fascinating knowledge

[Killian Keane]

Steel underframe open goods wagon and goods van built by Metropolitan Carriage and Wagon Co in 1922, identical underframes, 10 ton capacity each

[Mayner]

3 hours ago, Killian Keane said:

Steel underframe open goods wagon and goods van built by Metropolitan Carriage and Wagon Co in 1922, identical underframes, 10 ton capacity each

A bit of self-promotion JM Design produce models of the 1917 Open Wagon and Van in later GSR/CIE condition in CKD (completely knocked down) form.

The principal differences are that the Open is on a later GSR design of underframe with open W Irons and both types of wagons are fitted with heavier self contained buffers.

If anyone is interested I can supply the Open Wagon body with the GSWR van chassis for modellers interested in reproducing the opens supplied with "plate back axleguards" by Metropolitan and other builders to the GSWR, Bandon, Midland and other Irish companies following WW1.

High quality spindle buffers with blackened brass heads are available from Dart Castings in their MJT range,

 

 

[Johnny B. Good]

14 hours ago, Mayner said:

A bit of self-promotion JM Design produce models of the 1917 Open Wagon and Van in later GSR/CIE condition in CKD (completely knocked down) form.

The principal differences are that the Open is on a later GSR design of underframe with open W Irons and both types of wagons are fitted with heavier self contained buffers.

If anyone is interested I can supply the Open Wagon body with the GSWR van chassis for modellers interested in reproducing the opens supplied with "plate back axleguards" by Metropolitan and other builders to the GSWR, Bandon, Midland and other Irish companies following WW1.

High quality spindle buffers with blackened brass heads are available from Dart Castings in their MJT range,

 

 

As you guys say - fair play to ya - your models are fantastic Mayner! I’m hoping to get one of these soon!