Mayner Posted June 20 Posted June 20 I am planning to supply Coaching Stock etches to order direct from our photo engravers in the UK beginning with our CIE 4w Van and MGWR Horse Box and Meat Fish Van etches and expect to have an updated price list during the next two weeks. I am considering producing sets of etched parts for 1951-53 Inchacore built coaches previously supplied as overlays for converting Dapol/Airfix 60' Stanier coaches to CIE stock. The proposed sets of parts similar in principal to Worsley Works/Comet coaches, supplied with an etched roof to be formed to profile by the builder. At this stage I am looking at producing Buffet Car, Brake Second and will produce further sets of parts if there is sufficient interest based on enquiries for a minimum of 10 of each type of coach. 5 Quote
GSR 800 Posted June 20 Posted June 20 19 minutes ago, Mayner said: I am planning to supply Coaching Stock etches to order direct from our photo engravers in the UK beginning with our CIE 4w Van and MGWR Horse Box and Meat Fish Van etches and expect to have an updated price list during the next two weeks. I am considering producing sets of etched parts for 1951-53 Inchacore built coaches previously supplied as overlays for converting Dapol/Airfix 60' Stanier coaches to CIE stock. The proposed sets of parts similar in principal to Worsley Works/Comet coaches, supplied with an etched roof to be formed to profile by the builder. At this stage I am looking at producing Buffet Car, Brake Second and will produce further sets of parts if there is sufficient interest based on enquiries for a minimum of 10 of each type of coach. Put me down for one of each type of coach, one of each horsebox, fish/meat and two tin vans John. Quote
Mol_PMB Posted June 20 Posted June 20 Great news! The CIE vans - which variants are you offering? My preference would be one luggage van and one heating van. Quote
Horsetan Posted June 20 Posted June 20 52 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said: ...CIE vans - which variants are you offering? My preference would be one luggage van and one heating van. Same here. One of each if they're being made available. Quote
Mayner Posted June 26 Author Posted June 26 4W Vans include Heating and Luggage Van or "Tin Van", Luggage Van or "Hooded Van" and PO Van/"Heuston Tool Van" Our prices for UK customers are inclusive of VAT as the etches are supplied direct from our engravers in Scotland, prices for customers outside the UK exclude VAT Shipping is usually Royal Mail Registered Post, I can confirm total cost including shipping upon receiving an expression of interest, lead time from placement of order to shipping usually 4-6 weeks. The Van Roofs are supplied as a separate etch and I am considering the option of producing a 3D printed roof as forming an elliptical roof may be challenging for some modellers. I am also considering making detail parts such as buffers, oil tanks and axleguards available as 3D printed parts. Prices: UK customers Van etches £35.00 Roof etch £16.80 Non-UK customers Van etches €38.00 Roof etches €17.00 Heating & Luggage Luggage Van PO Van The etched van parts include two sets of sides to cover a number of in-service modifications. Panels with windows were replaced with plain panels on some heating and luggage vans. Some PO Vans were converted to Tool Vans after the vans were withdrawn from mail service. MGWR Horse Box and Meat/Fish Van These items of Non-Passenger Coaching Stock remained in service on CIE until withdrawn in the late 1950s, there is even a photo of a Meat Van and a 1880s MGWR 6 w TPO coupled between a Tin and a Hooded Van on the Sligo Night Mail Some of the detail castings incl. buffers axlebox/springs and syphon roof vents may be available from the Dart Castings MJT range, I may make the handbrake wheels and Meat Van end posts/louvres available as 3D printed items. (The MGW van frets include a roof!) Prices: UK customers MGW non-passenger stock etches £25.00 Non-UK customers Van etches €29.00 MGWR Meat-Fish Van MGWR Horsebox 6 Quote
Mol_PMB Posted June 26 Posted June 26 Excellent- thanks John. I’d like etches for a luggage van and a heating van, plus a roof for each. I would also be interested in the 3D printed detail parts for these if you do produce them. Quote
Horsetan Posted June 26 Posted June 26 1 hour ago, Mol_PMB said: Excellent- thanks John. I’d like etches for a luggage van and a heating van, plus a roof for each. I would also be interested in the 3D printed detail parts for these if you do produce them. Same here, please Quote
Mayner Posted July 1 Author Posted July 1 Due to the level of interest I am considering supplying the Bullied Vans from New Zealand as complete kits with pre-formed brass roofs. I have most of the whitemetal detail castings and decals in stock, parts that are low/currently out of stock will be produced by 3D printing. I need to check the availability of parts for the MGW Horse Box and Meat Van I hope to finalise prices and lead time to delivery during the next couple of weeks. 6 1 Quote
Mayner Posted July 23 Author Posted July 23 I can now confirm prices for our CIE Bulleid Van and MGWR Horsebox & Meat Van kits. Although all kits are produced from existing tooling are prices are higher as the cost of photo engraving has increased significantly since these kits were last produced. CIE Bullied 4W Vans Heating & Luggage Van kit $175.50NZ approx £74.00 ea Luggage Van Kit $175.50NZ approx £74.00 ea PO/"Heuston" Van kit $175.50NZ approx £74.00 ea. MGWR Horsebox kit $124.50NZ approx £52.56 ea MGWR Meat/Fish Van kit $124.50NZ approx £52.56 ea Shipping costs and expected delivery date to be confirmed on receipt of order. At this stage delivery likely Sep-Nov 2025 Some detail parts will be supplied as 3D printed rather than in whitemetal e.g. CIE LV/PO Van axleguards and MGW Van handbrake wheels. 3 1 Quote
Mol_PMB Posted July 23 Posted July 23 One Heating & Luggage Van kit, plus one Luggage Van Kit, please. Quote
Mol_PMB Posted August 5 Posted August 5 Hi John, Just wondering with regard to the bogie coach etches, my impression from this thread is that there isn’t enough interest to do the bogie coach ‘kits’ you propose. Is that correct or have you had a flurry of interest behind the scenes? Presumably there might be a lower bar to resurrecting the 60’ etched sides on their own? Is that a possibility and if so, which types of coach would be feasible? Many thanks, Paul Quote
Mayner Posted August 7 Author Posted August 7 Hi Paul Insufficient interest at this stage to complete complete sets of parts for the 51-53 Inchacore built coaches. The 60' etched sides can be supplied to order direct from PPD, I expect to have prices for sides only later in August. Sides produced were: (a) Buffet Car (b) 1372-78 Side Corridor Standard (c) 1356-1371 Open Standard (d) 1904-8 Brake Standard (e)3201-12 Brake Standard Steam Generator Van 1 1 Quote
Mayner Posted August 22 Author Posted August 22 On 7/8/2025 at 10:41 PM, Mayner said: Hi Paul Insufficient interest at this stage to complete complete sets of parts for the 51-53 Inchacore built coaches. The 60' etched sides can be supplied to order direct from PPD, I expect to have prices for sides only later in August. Sides produced were: (a) Buffet Car (b) 1372-78 Side Corridor Standard (c) 1356-1371 Open Standard (d) 1904-8 Brake Standard (e)3201-12 Brake Standard Steam Generator Van The tooling for the coach sides was prepared for a production order which resulted in some toolings produce multiple sets of coach sides which unfortunately results in some anomolies in our pricing! (a) Buffet Car -------------------------1 Set of sides-----------$60NZ---------- approx £25.00 Buffet Galley side Buffet Bar side (b) 1339055 Series Side Corridor Third/Second/Standard-----------Standard fret produces sides for 2 coaches!------------------$72.55------------------approx £30.00 1904-8 Brake Second Overlay & set BSSGV sides -----------Standard fret produces sides for 2 coaches!------------------$72.55------------------approx £30.00 For some reason several years ago the etchers paired sides for these coaches on a single tooling! Note the BSSGV Roof and Door details are on a separate fret-----1 Set of sides-----------$60NZ---------- approx £25.00 The 1356-1371 Open Seconds/Standards, 1904-1908 Brake Seconds/Standards and 3201-3212BSSGV overlays were originally mamufactured as sets of sides for 3 coaches! Price for a fret with 3 sets of sides for identical coaches would work out at $85.00 nz------------------approx £35.00 Price for 1 or 2 sets of sides for identical coaches would work out at $72.55 nz------------------approx £30.00 All prices exclude shipping. Note Prices for the coach side are indicitive only and based on supplying from NZ rather than direct from our supplier in the UK. I expect to issue quotes to prospective customers for Van Kits and Coach Sides by the end of the Month to place an order with our engraver during September for delivery to customers Jan0Feb 2026. 5 Quote
Mol_PMB Posted August 28 Posted August 28 Hi John, Many thanks for offering the coach side etches. Sorry for the delay in responding - given the way they are grouped on the etches I've had to think carefully about which combinations of options make most sense. I'd like to order the following: 1339-55 Series Side Corridor Third - sides for 2 coaches 1904-8 Brake Second and BSSGV sides That's in addition to the 4-wheel luggage van and heating van kits already requested (1 of each). Many thanks Paul Quote
Mol_PMB Posted September 8 Posted September 8 In early anticipation of these etches, I have bought a couple of donor vehicles - a cheap one (£10) and a moderately-priced one (£35). Only the latter has arrived so far. The sides were originally intended for the Dapol 60' Stanier coach kits, but these are out of production and are very hard to find. Similar RTR options are the Airfix/Mainline/Dapol 60' Stanier composite, or the Bachmann 60' Porthole brake first. Most other Stanier/Porthole coach models are 57' long, or in the case of the Porthole composite it's the right length but has an unusual cross-section profile and a different style of underframe. So here's the moderately priced donor, the Bachmann brake first, seen with something a bit more Irish: This is quite a nicely detailed model, rather better than the old Airfix one. It also has power pickups from the metal wheels, and kinematic couplers. Seems a shame to sand it all off, but needs must... The cross-section of these Porthole coaches ought to be like this: I did a few dimensional checks and I estimate the model is pretty close in width - it scales out at 9'0" over footsteps, 9'0" at waist, 8'10" over gutters and 8'8" just below the gutters. Height-wise it seems to be riding almost 1mm too low but that can be corrected by packing the bogie pivots a fraction. Now, how does that compare to the CIE coaches built in the 1951-1953 period, which the etched sides represent? I haven't actually found any dimensioned diagrams/drawings for these (has anyone got one squirreled away?) The best I've got is this which is entirely undimensioned except for the lining and lettering: However, the carriage registers and some other sources give dimensions. Confusingly they are not always consistent, and I suspect that may be how they are defined. Is 'Width' over the bodysides, or the door handles or the duckets? Is 'Height' to the roof surface or to the highest ventilator or water pipe? The carriage registers say that the Maximum Width of these carriages is 9'11 1/4", which I think is a genuine maximum. Pender & Richards and the IRT&T books give the width as 9'6" and I think that is the width over the body sides. The model is about 2mm too narrow at the waist, and about 3mm too narrow just below the gutters. But I'm going to overlay some new brass sides which will make up about half that discrepancy. More obvious from the ends is the slight taper on the upper body sides, which may or may not be worth trying to correct as it's not obvious from most viewing angles. The carriage registers say that the Maximum Height is 12' 9", which if it represents the height over the vents (I think it does) is very close to the LMS carriage, if the model's ride height is raised a fraction. Probably the biggest discrepancy is the roof profile, which on the CIE coaches is vertical at the gutters, then filleted into a shallow arc over the top of the roof. The LMS roof is more elliptical. I may do some experiments with making an alternative roof that is closer to the CIE profile. An alternative would be to build up the edges of the existing one and sand it back, but I suspect it would be very difficult to get an even shape. Or I just accept the LMS shape as 'good enough'. When my cheapy Airfix coach turns up I'll do some similar measurements. I'm in no hurry to start hacking at them - the brass sides are some months off and I have plenty of other things to be working on. 1 Quote
Mayner Posted Friday at 11:15 Author Posted Friday at 11:15 A copy of a copy so to speak, received from Alan O'Rourke many years ago under the guise of 'The Loughrea Coach?" Came in very useful when producing the artwork for the Side Corridor and BSSGV 1 Quote
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