4 wheel luggage , SHV, TPO

[Junctionmad]

I was trying to get the sequence of these right

 

Am I correct in assuming that of the 56 4 wheelers built from 55 onwards , some were luggage only , some were SHV and a few were tpos , were the luggage only 4wheelers built first and converted ?

 

Kirsch and Doyle only dentil the remaining 4w and 6w running in 1978 , has anyone the build numbers of the luggage only vans.

 

Thanks

 

Dave

[DiveController]

Hi Dave,

There were 66 4w 30' luggage (hooded) vans 2700-2765, built about 1957 weighing over 10T with central double doors on both sides.

There were 52 4w 30' Heating (Tin) Vans 3101-3141 (1955), 3142-3147 (1959), 3148-3152 (1960) weighing about 21T due to the addition of the boiler centrally with two sets of double doors on each side fore and aft of the boiler for luggage storage.

No 3153-3156 were 6w 30' heating vans weighing over 28T due to the presence of two boilers, for a total of 56 4w/6w steam heating vans.

There were 10 4w 30' post Office Sorting Vans 2962-2971 (c. 1958) weighing about 13.5T in addition to existing TPOs and some bogies TPOs that followed

Hopefully I am answering the question that you asked

Info from Pender & Richards book in pub. 1967

Edited September 28, 2016 by DiveController

[Mayner]

There were a number of design variations between the 1955 & 1959-60 batches of tin vans, plus in service variations among the Tin & Hooded Vans.

 

The Tin Vans were originally introduced with full depth outward opening doors, the doors seem to have been shortened at an early stage most likely to avoid striking the edge of the floor and difficulty in closing. The final batches were fitted with recessed inward opening doors similar to the hooded vans.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4U5MWhTpnM

 

In later years windows on both tin and hooded vans were replaced with solid panels on an add-hoc basis, possibly to replaced damage panels. some tin vans lost most of their small windows apart from a single window in the guards compartment, in some cases the large boiler compartment window was replaced by a solid panels or possibly double doors.

 

The vans were culled from main line service in the early 70s following the introduction of the Dutch Vans and CIEs programme of rebuilding Bredin and early CIE coaches into heating and luggage vans.

 

A small no of the 4w heating vas were retained for suburban and branch line duties. There are photos of 4w TPOs in use on the Sligo Line in the early 70s and may have been used on Ballina-Limerick passenger trains.

 

Some of the hooded vans lost their gangways and were repainted in an all over orange colour scheme similar to the Van Hool & Atlantean busses. These vans were used on Connolly-Dunlaoire mail trains until replaced by 20' ISO containers on 4 w flats.

 

The underframes from the hooded vans had one last fling on the main line in 77 or 78 with Sean Connery & Donald Sunderland as coaches in the 1st Great Train Robbery!

[Noel]

Thanks John for the info and the wonderful video clip. I'd be happy with two 6 wheel or two 4 wheel luggage heating vans should you decide to produce either.

[Junctionmad]

Thank you guys I'm suitably informed to now begin to add a collection of 4 wheel vans to my collection

 

Dave

[DiveController]

There were a number of design variations between the 1955 & 1959-60 batches of tin vans, plus in service variations among the Tin & Hooded Vans.

 

The Tin Vans were originally introduced with full depth outward opening doors, the doors seem to have been shortened at an early stage most likely to avoid striking the edge of the floor and difficulty in closing. The final batches were fitted with recessed inward opening doors similar to the hooded vans.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4U5MWhTpnM

 

In later years windows on both tin and hooded vans were replaced with solid panels on an add-hoc basis, possibly to replaced damage panels. some tin vans lost most of their small windows apart from a single window in the guards compartment, in some cases the large boiler compartment window was replaced by a solid panels or possibly double doors.

 

The vans were culled from main line service in the early 70s following the introduction of the Dutch Vans and CIEs programme of rebuilding Bredin and early CIE coaches into heating and luggage vans.

 

A small no of the 4w heating vas were retained for suburban and branch line duties. There are photos of 4w TPOs in use on the Sligo Line in the early 70s and may have been used on Ballina-Limerick passenger trains.

 

Some of the hooded vans lost their gangways and were repainted in an all over orange colour scheme similar to the Van Hool & Atlantean busses. These vans were used on Connolly-Dunlaoire mail trains until replaced by 20' ISO containers on 4 w flats.

 

The underframes from the hooded vans had one last fling on the main line in 77 or 78 with Sean Connery & Donald Sunderland as coaches in the 1st Great Train Robbery!

 

Great information, John. Like the recessed doors on these vans which may be ones that opened inwards as you say. Thanks for the updates and looking forward to seeing the 6w vans from yourself.

Edited October 1, 2016 by DiveController

[Junctionmad]

I hope John re-releases the 4w vans as well