Noel

Apologies Blaine. I'm relatively new to this forum myself having joined only last autumn, but keep stumbling across some very interesting material on here, some of which may also be of interest to other newbies.

This site never ceases to amaze with it's hidden treasures. I only found this thread this afternoon. A giant scale 071/111 running outdoors. An awesome project.

But which would you prefer to fly? An office on autopilot, or a joystick connected to every molecule of air?

Just a curiosity, it seems strange to hear early livery 141s referred to as Black'n'tan which more accurately describes the early super train livery (i.e. 50/50 of each colour like the coaches). The early 141s were basically black with a white stripe and a thin tan stripe, but basically they were overwhelmingly black, or black with white stripe. I understand everybody refers to them and the early A class as B&T, but B&W seems clearer. Yes the early single white strip cravens are the coaches to run behind the early 141s and as you say in a mix with laminates, PRs and odds and ends. I love that livery and the era because you can mix an match old coaching stock and short, medium and long trains all look right. Throw in short luggage vans, TPOs, heating vans and you can smell the 60s.

I too have sinned Let she who is without new shoes cast the first stone at 7078.

Found photos of Green model TPO

The mysterious 'user' from the past must have been an issue before I joined the forum last year. Not sure I understand, and by the sounds of it don't need to understand water already under the bridge. IMHO, this forum is well managed and the moderation policy is spot on.

Hi Kevin. I was more referring to old v new, as in old piston engined or old turbo prop aircraft v modern sleek jet aircraft (i.e. like steam, 121, 141 v 201s and sleek ICRs). The old tended to have more visual character. Agree the 320 is a superb operational tool. At least it has comfy seats unlike the 22k. Noel

Aer Friendly 747-100 - original livery Now

201s - Do you need some more paper weights?

Hi Paul. That photo was taken in the last few years. 'Aer Friendly' repainted a few aircraft in various retro liveries from the past. Noel PS: BucketAndSlopAir have done a few interesting livery tweaks over the years for promotional purposes.

She looks great in her sponsorship livery if not a little wavey like the new 206 livery. I don't model modern aircraft nor modern railways. An A320 in my eyes is a bit like a 22k ICR or a container flat. Give me an AT6, P51D or B141 any day! Retro livery - Aer Lingus Irish International Airlines

You might think that, I couldn't possibly comment. (Francis Urquhart House of cards)

Amen

Aye Maze Zing I wouldn't have believed such a comprehensive and vast collection could exist unless I saw the actual photos.

No the Lima loco in the video clip is actually the quieter of the pair. The other 33 sounds like a Massey Ferguson that's run out of oil.

These photos are real treasures - thanks for posting them

Messing about on the layout with some Black'n'tan locos [video=youtube;bUt_QO-Jnu8] Includes maiden test run of an A Class (hornby class 55 chassis with SF body), with Lenz silver decoder.

Hi Paul. I did nothing but a simple lube service. That's how she came out of the box from W J Owens in Bray in the late 70s. Noel Ps. The second loco isn't as fast but sounds like a tractor. Won't need DCC sound!

This evening I ran one of my old Lima CIE class 33 locos for the first time in over 20 years! It was insanely fast. I have a measured section of track with a timing gate and measured the loco doing the equivalent of 160mph scale speed Old Lima class 33 CIE imitation A class I have an emotional attachment to these two awful old Lima class 33s. Can't bring myself to sell them for old times sake.

Unfortunate and embarrassing, especially so if the first run after an overhaul!!! These locos must have top class safety systems for fire detection and auto suppression, shorts, etc.

Fab scene and photo. If somebody could only photoshop the disintegrating gsv into the same smart livery. Does anybody know if the other gsv currently being refurbished will have a matching livery with the cravens or will it be B&T?

Thanks. Indeed, 071s are very keenly priced

Thanks Walter

When is the next Bray show?