C&LR/Cork Blackrock Passage brake van 191L

[Pete00018]

 

Hi, would anyone have a pic of brake van 191L from the other end.

Also trying to see what the inside might be like from the open platform end.

 

Thanks

[jhb171achill]

There were two sent to the C & L. One was substantially altered by having the open balcony end enclosed with conventional guards' doors either side. The one shown above at least, and possibly both, had a conventional wagon-type end.  The other - I think - had at one stage at least a small window fitted in the middle panel on the end.  but with a small window in the middle panel. Planked ends as on the sides. Internally would have been a short bench seat for the guard, probably close to where the stove was at one corner internally.

The above is in original condition.

 

Edited August 1, 2022 by jhb171achill

[murrayec]

[Westcorkrailway]

Does anyone know what the story is with 10L’s livery in the early 1950s. I seen it on the latest round of digital uploads to the railway records society 

 

it appears to be in a jet black colour with number plates picked out in ted. Not something similar to the GSR or CIE liveries at the time….why was this livery put on this loco?  

https://flic.kr/p/2nBiQUt

 

[Mayner]

23 minutes ago, Westcorkrailway said:

Does anyone know what the story is with 10L’s livery in the early 1950s. I seen it on the latest round of digital uploads to the railway records society 

 

it appears to be in a jet black colour with number plates picked out in ted. Not something similar to the GSR or CIE liveries at the time….why was this livery put on this loco?  

https://flic.kr/p/2nBiQUt

 

 

Possibly because black was the only suitable paint available when 10L received its last re-paint/running overhaul.

10L and 6t also appear to have been painted black during their final years working on the C&L.

There is a 1956 black and white photo of what appears to be a black 10L under overhaul in Ballinamore in the Pan Paperback edition of P J Flannigan's Cavan and Leitrim Book and a colour photo of a Black 6t almost ex-works taking water at Drunshanbo in 1957 in "Irish Railways in Colour" Tom Ferris (Midland Publishing 1992). Both 6t and the two surviving ex-CBPR 2-4-2T were in a grimy run down state with paint burnt off the chimneys and smokeboxes when the line closed in March 1959.

[Mayner]

7 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

There were two sent to the C & L. One was substantially altered by having the open balcony end enclosed with conventional guards' doors either side. The one shown above at least, and possibly both, had a conventional wagon-type end.  The other - I think - had at one stage at least a small window fitted in the middle panel on the end.  but with a small window in the middle panel. Planked ends as on the sides. Internally would have been a short bench seat for the guard, probably close to where the stove was at one corner internally.

The above is in original condition.

 

There is a 1956 photo of 190L in the PJ Flannigan Collection (a must for C&L fans!) on the IRRS Flickr site https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/50163963961/in/album-72157715275322482/

The van which seems to be out of us by 1956 has a set of double outward opening doors with droplights at the balcony end, there is a Des Coakham photo of the van in less run down condition in Cavan & Leitrim Railway the Last Decde pictorial album  Tom Ferris and Patrick Flanagan  Midland Publishing 1997.

Its possible that the 190L may have been used at some stage as a passenger brake, according to Flanagan the "vans were very well though of at first, but were not long in use as they got "shaky". One was used in emergencies, both survived to the end in bad condition."

[jhb171achill]

6 hours ago, Westcorkrailway said:

Does anyone know what the story is with 10L’s livery in the early 1950s. I seen it on the latest round of digital uploads to the railway records society 

 

it appears to be in a jet black colour with number plates picked out in ted. Not something similar to the GSR or CIE liveries at the time….why was this livery put on this loco?  

https://flic.kr/p/2nBiQUt

 

Correct. This was a “one-off” a few years before black started appearing on many repaints. The red plate was both of a completely non-standard shape and design, and colour. The other one of these locos had a normal CIE painted number.