Bachmann LNWR Arc roof coaches

[Richard EH]

Hi all,

 

Bachmann announced these coaches yesterday:

https://news.bachmann.co.uk/2024/10/premier-coaches-for-the-premier-line/?utm_source=Bachmann+Europe+Railway+Newsletter&utm_campaign=7534803bfd-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_rail-arrivals-31-07-23_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b9dcd9c565-7534803bfd-465753002

They look great, and of course it got me thinking whether they'd be any use for anything for the GNRi. I've had a look through the usual books, and I can only see a handful of photos of the ex LNWR coaches acquired in 1947 in use. there's a great one on page 107 of 'The Great Northern Railway :An Irish Railway Pictorial' behind PPs No.43 (running with a modern tender which it seemed to have acquired in 1956) with two of the LNWR coaches on the Bundoran Branch.

Calling Jonathan Beaumont @jhb171achill for some further thoughts perhaps?

Cheers for now!

Richard.

[MOGUL]

21 hours ago, Richard EH said:

Hi all,

 

Bachmann announced these coaches yesterday:

https://news.bachmann.co.uk/2024/10/premier-coaches-for-the-premier-line/?utm_source=Bachmann+Europe+Railway+Newsletter&utm_campaign=7534803bfd-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_rail-arrivals-31-07-23_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b9dcd9c565-7534803bfd-465753002

They look great, and of course it got me thinking whether they'd be any use for anything for the GNRi. I've had a look through the usual books, and I can only see a handful of photos of the ex LNWR coaches acquired in 1947 in use. there's a great one on page 107 of 'The Great Northern Railway :An Irish Railway Pictorial' behind PPs No.43 (running with a modern tender which it seemed to have acquired in 1956) with two of the LNWR coaches on the Bundoran Branch.

Calling Jonathan Beaumont @jhb171achill for some further thoughts perhaps?

Cheers for now!

Richard.

They are was some discussion about the DN&GR ones that passed onto the GNr in the thread about the rapido Evolution coaches thread earlier this week..

I would guess the Bachmann coaches may be a better match than the Rapido ones but @leslie10646might no more as he mentioned the roof was wrong on the Rapido ones..

[Mayner]

Des Coackham in his book Irish Broad Gauge Carriages wrote about DNGR coaches and the ex-LNWR coaches acquired by the GNR during the late 40s and includes some photos.

The three DNGR bogie coaches were 50' arc roof stock smilar in profile to the Bachmann coaches were built as 1,2,3 composites with lavatory accomodation for each class and a guards compartment at one end. The coaches passed to the NCC in 1933 where they were re-built as Full Brakes there is a photo of one of the vans at Larne Harbour on p75 but not really suitable for modelling purposes.

The GNR acquired 20 ex-LNWR coaches a mixture of Arc, Cove (low elliptical) and High -elliptical roofed stock which became GNR Classes G7,K25-8, L5 & 02.

The underframes of the Arc roofed coaches were too narrow to re-gauge to 5'3" and ended up as lineside huts! 

There is a photo of 470 an ex LNWR "cove roof" First-Thrid Slip Coach at Clones on p61 of the Irish Carriage Book and of 478 a High-elliptical roofed 3rd at Clones in Irish Railways in Pictures No.1 GNR (IRRS 1976)

While the Bachmann LNWR coaches are correct for a DNGR bogie in lenth and profile, its said that the compartment and lavatory arrangement was closer to GN than LNWR practice, though a train of Bachmann D316 corridor brake composites especially in fully lined LNWR livery would probably pass the 2' test. 

The roof profile on the Rapido LNWR coaches looks closer in profile to High-elliptical rather than Arc roofed stock, are shorter and non-gangwayed unlike the GNR ex-LNWR stock nice coaches but quite unlike the ex-LNWR GN coaches.