NCC Class X No 17

[keefs]

Does anyone have any photos/drawings/info on this loco please?

There are a few photos online and some info on wiki, but it seems to have been quite an elusive machine.

Can anyone comment on the livery?

As I understand it, the original livery was black (matt?) with lining which looks possibly straw coloured in the photos I have seen. NCC lettering on the side panel, makers plate at the front (what was the text?), 17 numberplate on the fuel tank behind the door.

In UTA days, the NCC was replaced with the UTA roundel, but were there any other changes?

I have seen a reference that it was at one time painted in LMS NCC maroon, but I'm not sure were this information might have come from, as surely crimson lake was reserved for express passenger locos?

Thanks in advance

Keith

[Mol_PMB]

The book ‘Locomotives of the LMS NCC’ (William Scott) includes a diagram of this loco with basic dimensions. 
For those wondering, it’s the Harlandic 0-6-0 diesel with jackshaft drive.

The only photo of it in that book is in UTA livery but the diagram shows the NCC lettering arrangement. The manufacturer’s plate on the front read HARLANDIC. 
 

The book ‘The LMS in Ireland’ (Mark Kennedy) has two excellent photos of it in use in NCC times in 1937. That shows the lining and it appears that the main colour is lighter than the edging colour. 
The two photos are credited to the Harland&Wolff collection at the UFTM. 
 

Hired by the NCC from H&W in 1937 and purchased in 1941. Used primarily for shunting in Belfast. 
It saw little use after March 1966 and was scrapped in 1970. 

[Mol_PMB]

PS

IRRS archive on Flickr has 2 photos in NCC livery, and Ernie has one. Plus some in UTA livery. 
 

https://flic.kr/p/2qEmvQX

https://flic.kr/p/2pwiWVb

https://flic.kr/p/2pZjzF6

 

[keefs]

Thanks @Mol_PMB 

There is a nice photo of it here: https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/IRISH-RAILWAYS/NORTHERN-COUNTIES-COMMITTEE/i-PjPSCxj/A

and another here: https://www.theyard.info/engineering/traction/images/1.jpg

and a William Robb/UFTM photo of it in a rather dirtier condition: https://collections.nationalmuseumsni.org/object-hoyfm-wr-334 

I think that's about the only photos of it that I have been able to find online.

 

 

It is the oval makers plate on the loco side that I was referring to regarding the lettering. You can see it on the left of the picture here: https://www.theyard.info/engineering/trains/images/8.jpg

I'm assuming it read H&W 1936 in some form or other. It looks like it might be similar to this:  https://scontent-lhr11-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/575185614_1134218012217316_3439863232448030292_n.jpg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg_tt6&cstp=mx1440x976&ctp=p180x540&_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=833d8c&_nc_ohc=5TgGb0yMwcwQ7kNvwFVwRLD&_nc_oc=AdpXtIlfVB6TkM3TjbcAP-rEg7-LSERW46_fSVgyFm59MI0xZcb49MjOr36Cg-nhYVo&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr11-1.xx&_nc_gid=IEXpNHU0c5o4l2lQ0fwvPw&_nc_ss=7b2a8&oh=00_AQHIhc3HbVQaDcDFKSYPedMUt2zY74HyKt3o0lIDfM_U1g&oe=6A90FA79 rather than the more familiar intertwined HW plate.

 

Jonathan Beaumont has replied elsewhere to say that the NCC lining was maroon and a pale straw colour, almost off-white, while the UTA lining was bright red and yellowy-straw colour.

Thanks for your help with this

[airfixfan]

Have a few photos of 17 in my own collection. Somewhere!

[Mol_PMB]

Here's one from a copy slide in my collection, UTA livery but the side that was less commonly photographed:

For a one-off rather obscure loco, I think you're doing pretty well for photos so far!

Have you any plans for a model? it would be most interesting, especially in LMS crimson livery.

 

[Horsetan]

That reminds me of the LMS's other experiment: no. 1831, an electric shunter on the chassis of a Johnson 0-6-0T. Mad little thing.

[Mol_PMB]

The LMS experimented with lots of diesel shunters in the 1930s and 1940s, on both sides of the Irish Sea. As far as I'm aware, only one of them (a Harlandic, but not this one) worked on both sides of the water.

[airfixfan]

Ssr ffom June 1937

[jhb171achill]

Several in NCC markings show it clearly plain black, just with "N C C" on it, but one appears to show what might be a maroon livery. Senior's observations when he worked for the NCC approx 1947-51 suggested they were at that stage all black. I suspect that if it was maroon, this was a pre-war, and perhaps fairly short-lived, scheme. I doubt the others were anything but black, based on any pictures I've seen.

I think they may have had red connecting rods, UTA-esque, though.