cattle loco

[brianmcs]

on another post the term "cattle loco " has been used . Which steam loco would be the most usual for a train of CIE cattle wagons ? 

[Galteemore]

0-6-0 tender locos mostly. J18/19 or ‘Cattle engine’ on the MGW, J15 anywhere else really I think. 

[jhb171achill]

41 minutes ago, Galteemore said:

0-6-0 tender locos mostly. J18/19 or ‘Cattle engine’ on the MGW, J15 anywhere else really I think. 

Yes, very much so. In West Cork it would be a "Bandon Tank".

Naturally, in early diesel days a cattle special would most likely be an "A" class.

I was told a story once - might have been Bob Clements but I've forgotten - of a special to Ballinasloe from somewhere down the GSWR branch - Portarlington maybe, or Port Laoise direction. Athlone was to supply loco and crew. This is in the early 1940s, and with the Achill branch closed, a couple of the light 4.4.0 "Achill Bogies" (D16) had been transferred in there.

Anyway, Athlone had nothing but a hapless D16 for this job. It could barely move the train, and once it got it going, could hardly stop it from even the very sedate pace which was all the loco could persuade it to move at. Highly descriptive language was uttered by many that day, and a local instruction was issued to the effect that under NO circumstances was one of these ever to be used on a special again.......

[Mayner]

3 hours ago, brianmcs said:

on another post the term "cattle loco " has been used . Which steam loco would be the most usual for a train of CIE cattle wagons ? 

In steam days usually an 0-6-0 and an A Class following dieselisation.

The actual Class or type of steam loco depended pretty much on the part of the country or "Section" as steam classes kept pretty much to their pre-1925 amalgamation boundaries the Woolwich Moguls were the main exception as they worked passenger and goods trains on both the "Southern" ex-GSWR and "Midland" MGWR lines.

In the 19th Century both the GSWR & MGWR built fairly large classes of "Standard" 0-6-0 goods locos which became CIE J15 (ex-GSWR), J18 & J19 (ex-MGWR) Classes, both companies built smaller numbers of larger goods locos during the early years of the 20th Century which became the CIE J4 & J9 (ex GSWR) and J5 (ex-MGWR)

The DESR "Standard" goods the J8 was an early 20th Century design similar in size to a J9 and the inside cylinder K2 Class 2-6-0s 461 & 462 worked the overnight main line goods and heavier cattle specials.

The GNR followed a similar pattern with smaller locos like the PG & AL followed by the various SG Classes in the 20th Century.

The West Cosk is likely to have used its Beyer Peacock 0-6-0ST on the goods trains until replaced by the B4 4-6-0 Bandon tanks.

The Murphy Models/Bachmann Woolwich Mogul, the OO Works J15, GNR UG and possibly West Cork 0-6-0ST are the only rtr options for an Irish goods loco, otherwise its either scratch, kit or modified rtr.  The coupled wheelbase of the Bachmann LMS/BR 3F & 4F 0-6-0s are not far out for the K2 J4, J8, J9 but the Bachmann body would require heavy modification replacement.

SSM produce kits for the CIE J15, B4 and GNR AL & SG/SG2 Classes and Worsley Works a set of scratchbuilders parts for the UG.

[Ironroad]

Also available RTR was the NCC "Jinty" 0-6-0 tank loco, thanks to Murphy Models/Bachmann.  

[jhb171achill]

18 minutes ago, Ironroad said:

Also available RTR was the NCC "Jinty" 0-6-0 tank loco, thanks to Murphy Models/Bachmann.  

True, but very limited use - there were only two of 'em, and one didn't even last that long.... and both spent their entire lives, bar a trial run or two, pushing trucks about Belfast Docks and York Road station......

[brianmcs]

thanks guys.