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Point 1 Purchasing Cost, That is what I am trying to get an answer to. Allen has on more than 1 occasion put me off "Till later" Point 2 Time to run Operation, Depends how many orders come in. Point 3 Viability i.e. Other Component availability, Lack of wheels is becoming a big factor here, Without which what's the point of a Loco kit. This is the main sticking factor Neville at NDrive has with the old Backwoods Kits. I know I have helped him out in sorting the mess that was the castings to go with each. Point 4 As Angus said Artwork is for a sheet and knowing what is on with what is a problem here. (Back to my initial post on this thread and the "Accessing" remark) if only to find out. The last kit I received was 2 full sheets directly from Grainge and Hodder for a West Clare Walker Bogie Diesel in 15mm, all the bits I want are there, but also some I do not (And have no idea what they are). Point 5 The rise of "The Machines", 3D printing, Laser Cutters and Silhouette Cutters are gaining traction, lowering costs and may end Brass kits for good "If it is classed as good". There is no easy way to take "artwork for an Etch" and turn it into "Artwork" for a different format, Each is unique, In it's form and nature. Basically for each style you start again from known measurements and design to suit your machine. What other posters to this thread seem to be missing is that I am serious in wanting to do this. At present I have reasonable funding to do it. (Depending on Point 1) and still feel willing to give it a go. The actual "Getting a Price" is the sticking point here.

I don't really care what format it is in, Just as long as it is usable by the etching company. It's the legal bit of "Rights" and being able to have an etching company use them.

I fully agree that although hobby etching can be done at home I would not bother. Spent time in a Gold Plating Shop and regularly used stuff that is now on the Internationally "Banned" list. eg. TriChloroTriFlouroEtano while at work so do not see the point of turning the house into a Chemical Lab now I have "Retired"

OK I have said "Artwork" when i do mean "Phototool" which is drawn up from the Artwork but semantics really. And I agree that continuing to use Grainge and Hodder would be the easiest option so accessing the actual artwork is not entirely necessary, But purchasing the "Rights" to use the artwork is required else any future production is in effect copyright theft. Similar to the sales of overproduced Murphy Models items being sold from China. I am considering/trying to purchase said "Rights" from Allen, Primarily the 3 foot Narrow Gauge Range (YES Irish, I.O.M. & Southwold in the various Scales remaining 4mm, 7mm, and 15mm. (3mm? and 5.5mm having already been taken by the 3mm Society and Neville Kent, NDrive) Depending on the cost of the above I could consider more eg, The Irish Broad Gauge but I have not got as much Idea about the range and amount purchased. A quick look shows about 20 - 35 Scratch Aid Kits over each of 5 Scales. (I am primarily a modeller of 3 Foot Gauge) That is why I stated that the North West Group although having a "Fire Sale" on premade etches have not conclusively stated that they have bought the "Artwork and Rights" Also my own doubts about the 3mm Society (I need to speak to Peter Leach about this) The immediate statement that they have no plans to produce further etches would make it pointless purchasing the said artwork. (Other than to store for possible future use if they feel that enough demand existed) Maybe a case of a certain number of Pre Paid orders leading to a run of a particular quantity of a certain model or short run batches only to top up some time after when certain lines have "Sold Out". (Much like the business model of certain RTR manufacturers now).

Right then, The statement below is as I know it. From someone who has been trying to get in touch with Allen to try to discuss purchase, only to be put off in time wise (But not from wanting to purchase) by Allen 1 of the members of the North West 009 group "Stan" has been holding a "Fire sale" of 4mm narrow gauge etches, (seems they got everything in a bulk deal off of Allen). They also put out this statement on NGRM back in February. "The Merseyside & SWest Lancs NG Group have been is discussions with Allen Doherty (Worsley Works) and this week have taken over his range of 4mm Narrow Gauge Kits, plus some other items. There are no plans at present, to produce new items. Our aim, is to help bring back into the hobby, some of the modelling skills which have been effected by the rtr models. Once we have sorted all the stock, these kits will be offered at very low prices, so if someone makes a mess of the kit, they will not be crying in their soup. Any interested parties, can contact me on here or send an e-mail to johnwilliams509@btinternet.com" Note they do not say that they have bought the rights or the artwork. All the Irish Narrow Gauge items have been taken and pretty much most everything else has been sold. The 3mm society has had all the 3mm items from stock (This includes chassis units that are otherwise used for 4mm scale 00n3) I was lead at the time from a statement put out to members to believe that they also purchased the artwork for the same but also have no plans at present to produce any new items. I now have doubts that they purchased the artwork. Also having talked to the person currently in charge of said stock while at York show, They also got other items not 3mm, not labeled/identified. they plan on bringing this to the East Mids members day later this year for me to look through. Allen is still having some new items etched if the order is worthwhile, Last thing I had from him was on 2nd April (Just under 5 weeks ago) Delivered direct to me from Grainge & Hodder the etching company, As far as I know this was his last Irish etch "15mm scale West Clare Bogie Diesel" unless someone else has had some since. I ordered this the beginning of February. I have plans to try phoning again later this week. But have heard from more than 1 source that his cognitive abilities are starting to decline. If anyone else has any facts (facts only please not rumours / 2nd hand posts ) to add to the above please let me know as I would like to try to get this sorted before to long.

Work on a car Oil change 1st? Just bought a few hundreds quid's worth of track from this guy from Ebay, (13 lots of 45mm gauge) He even refunded me £55 without being asked as he said the postage I was paying was far too much.

You will probably still get the "FREE" delivery of model trains, Pizza, Tesco Shopping (Other supermarkets are available), etc. But the cost of that delivery will be added in to the top line of the price charged by the outlet. i.e Price to customer = Price from Supplier + Overheads (Wages of Staff, Running costs of Location (Shop/Warehouse/Delivery Van), Delivery (If included in Price), Profit, Local or other Taxes So it may still say Free Delivery but yes prices will go up.

It's supposed to be 15mm. Thence prototypical on 45mm gauge track.

Hi Eoin, Yeah been there, done that, It was me that did all the phone work to get Mr Savage to sell the castings after Mike stopped making the units. (Malcolm did the castings but the masters belonged to Mike so there was a bit of discussion as to whether he could sell the parts) I still have a box full of castings and etches for more 4mm versions Incidentally these should soon be available from NDrive in 9mm or 12mm versions. @jhb171achill I would like to see pics of your relatives version.

Ok So Where do you start? Well personally I'm starting with a pair of Bachmann Big Hauler motor units acquired from one of these The units themselves are like this to be fitted under a Worsley Works etch (Which Allen says he can still get done) http://www.worsleyworks.co.uk/Images/Walker/15mm1.jpg http://www.worsleyworks.co.uk/Images/Walker/15mm2.jpg Any thoughts, or foreseen problems?

Other than the deaths of those poor souls, What's worse in a safety sense is that over the next 4 days, there were 3 more incidents. Over 40 Dead in 4 Spanish Train Accidents in 5 Days, Sparking Safety Crisis and Nationwide Strike - Spain Living Forum

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Particularly as about half the stuff it's been put on they never had.

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