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Hi John, excellent photos, thank you! The dedicated cattle wagons are an interesting design, and its also interesting to note the convertible marshalled next to a cattle wagon in the first photograph. The idea of using convertibles for general goods traffic and livestock seems a bit alien to me, having been brought up on English railways! The limewash around the louvres is characteristic, isn't it? The side view in the second picture could be used to create a drawing if necessary, working on know dimesions such as wheel diameters and the known dimensions of "Titan". The cattle wagons look quite familiar in their design - I'll have to see if I can find anything similar. London & South Western Railway seems to ring a bell, for some reason, but they could equally be similar to most English cattle wagons with the exception of the GWR, of course. I'd certainly like to include some open cattle wagons in my fleet, but if they were camera-shy and no drawings exist, then that's off the agenda, unfortunately. With kind regards, Mark
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Hi Jonathan, again a wealth of information, thank you! The use of "convertibles" is all but unknown on English railways - occasionally some vans, usually as part of a larger "lot", would be fitted with a sliding roof door. The architypal assymetric Midland van (a la Slater's kit) is a type that springs to mind, and I understand that some of the GWR's tallest (8' high) wooden vans were so built, although I don't recall seeing a photograph. Dedicated cattle wagons were more the norm. Interestingly, having seen how the percentages of open box wagons stack up against the convertibles, the opposite was the case in England with numbers of opens far-outweighing covered wagons. With kind regards, Mark
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Dear All, apologies for not having posted sooner, especially after all the fantastic info you've all provided - I was otherwise engaged yesterday afternoon and evening, and didn't have time last night to respond! So I hope you'll all forgive me for having been quiet. MM, I absolutely agree, and what you say about the model railway hobby is spot-on - it's a community thing with the sharing of knowledge, both of the prototype and how to reproduce it in miniature, and it's great to be in the company of like-minded folks! That's a bit of a shame, but I suppose that only a limited number of period photos actually exist - like all these things it's a question of whether an enthusiast with a camera happened to be in the right place at the right time. I haven't put up my workbench thread yet, hopefully in the next couple of days, but I'll make a note of it on here when I finally do! All the best, Mark Hi Angus, Many thanks for your kind offer - I'll PM you, if that's okay! Best regards, Mark
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I'm intending to join the IRRS as soon as I can, so I'll be able to get in touch with Richard MacLachlann. The compendium will definitely not be a cheap investment, but hopefully a worthwhile one! With kind regards, Mark
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Fantastic photos, thank you! So much of huge interest - the convertible goods wagon and the butter wagon in particular are full of atmosphere and useful detail! Thank you again and kind regards, Mark
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Dear Jonathan, Many thanks for your posts, and especially the photographs! I'm happy scratch-building, although I'm not a fast worker! Any (good!) kits that are suitable are consequently extremely welcome, such as the JM Design horsebox and meat/fish van kits. I do have Ernie Shepherd's book, and I'm hoping to be able to get a copy of the IRRS MGWR Picture Book. The open-topped cattle wagons would be a distinctive and interesting addition to the roster, if drawings are available - perhaps in the Broadstone Series or the IRRS Compendium? I've certainly heard of Richard Chown and Castle Rackrent - I seem to recall an article in Railway Modeller many moons ago that I was extremely taken with. It may well have been Castle Rackrent that originally sparked my interest in Irish Broad Gauge! Thanks once again for all your help and advice! With kind regards, Mark
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Fabulous, thank you @Galteemore, that's brilliant! With kind regards, Mark
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Dear All, In the interests of keeping things going while I am scratch-building some MGWR open box wagons (my workbench will magically appear when I've got some photos worth posting!), I wonder if I could have some advice about the kits currently available? I'm in touch with Des at SSM and hope to order a couple of his MGWR convertible goods wagon kits, but I'm also interested in some "foreign" wagons. Somewhere we briefly discussed the likelihood of other companies' goods wagons being found on MGWR metals, the answer being definitely so. So, in that vein, and given that I'm planning on including livestock specials, would the Provincial Models SL&NCR 7ton cattle wagon be suitable for the 1900-1905 period? And likewise their SL&NCR 7ton covered goods wagon? Sadly, their GNR cattle wagon is to a 1938 pattern, so way too late for me! Thanks as always for any thoughts and ideas! Stay safe and stay well, Mark
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I'm just starting a scratch build of one (or two) 7ton Loco Coal wagons, so I'm looking forward to seeing your progress with this project and the hopper wagon. With kind regards, Mark
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Thanks, MM, that's good to know. I'll pop a link on this thread when I create the workbench one. Close of play today saw two wagons-worth of sides/ends assembled but without floors, plus three other sets of side/ends scribed out. Trouble is, I do work quite slowly..... The plan is to make the layout exhibitable, although whether it will be worth exhibiting will remain to be seen! With kind regards, Mark
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A quick question about wagons - are there any drawings of the MGWR's ballast wagons from the pre-1900-1905 period available? Perhaps in the Broadstone Series? I've made a start on some open box wagons, which will probably be finished as loco coal wagons - I'll start up a workbench thread to document my muddling progress! With kind regards, Mark
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Hi John, Many thanks for this - that would explain the reasoning behind the layout at Ballaghaderreen. The proposed extensions aren't mentioned in the section of Shepherd's book devoted to the branch, although they may be elsewhere - I haven't read it all yet! With kind regards, Mark
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Superb work, John, I love these vehicles! And your tutorial has made me think even I could made a reasonable job of an etched brass kit! With kind regards, Mark
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Well, the road to the hot place is paved with good intentions, so they say. I've not made a start on my wagons today as intended, although I've made some notes and jotted down the leading dimensions ready for when I do. Instead, I've been sat in the garden with my good lady enjoying the fine weather, and we're now enjoying an early evening snifter al fresco, Jameson's for me! Have a good evening, everyone! With kind regards, Mark
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Intrigued by the photograph of Ballaghaderreen on page 35 of Shepherd, and particularly the reference in the caption to the livestock bank and headshunt, I had a look at the 25 inch maps on GeoHive,. It was certainly a fascinating layout, you could almost say that in some ways it was "back-to-front", and although it was very long, far too long for the space I've got available, it's got some features that I may try to weave into my fiction. Which leads me to another question for those who know: although Ballaghaderreen engine shed was a single road affair, how many of the MGWR's branches had two road engine sheds? From what I can make out, many seem to have been two road sheds, so were they allocated two locos each? Unlikely, I would have thought? Thanks as always for any info! Kind regards, Mark
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Before I set off on my first builds, which I'm planning to put on a Workbench thread, I thought I'd have a bit of fun with some number crunching! Using the figures in Ernie Shepherd's Illustrated History, I've come up with this amusing little table: MGWR Goods Rolling Stock, 1900.xlsx Its an Excel spreadsheet, so if anyone wants to generate similar figures for other years, simply plug in the vehicle numbers for the appropriate year and the formulae should do the rest! Kind regards, Mark On thinking about it, here's a PDF for those who may not have Excel: MGWR Goods Rolling Stock, 1900.pdf
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Hi Mike, there's been a bit of a discussion on this thread Shapeways MGWR coaches 00 scale. Unfortunately, my own experience hasn't been encouraging, as the items I bought (a couple of years ago admittedly) weren't accurate for dimensions to published drawings and the WNVP material is poor at reproducing fine details, such that although he does a lot of interesting stuff I've not forked out for anything else. With kind regards, Mark
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Many thanks, Eoin, I'm hoping to make a start on a wagon or two over the weekend, and without the W-irons I need to be able to gauge the amount of clear space between the model solebars! With kind regards, Mark
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Hi all, According to Ernie Shepherd's Illustrated History, the MGWR's wagons were 6'-9" between their solebars. Can anyone advise what the Studio Scale Models etched W-irons measure over their outside faces? Many thanks for any advice! Kind regards, Mark
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Hi Jack, many thanks for your post. Sparkshot Custom Creations (aka Knuckles over on RMWeb) has a very good reputation for quality, although I've not yet ordered any of his products. With kind regards, Mark
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I think there were seven issues of RailModel Digest in total, a "preview" issue and then six numbered issues. I've had mine from new, tried to sell them several times but now glad I didn't manage to! They're well worth tracking down. David Malone's articles are full of useful information, but pics of Cliffony are thin on the ground, although there is a spread of superb colour shots in one of the issues. With kind regards, Mark
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Hi Ken, Many thanks for your post. I've been in touch with Des at SSM about his W-iron and axleguard etches, plus a couple of kits! Great to hear that the SSM items are good! I saw that gauges are available from the Scalefour Society, but as a member of the EM Gauge Society, I don't really want to join the S4 as well! However, I've been advised to contact Jeremy Suter to see if he can help. Thanks again and kind regards, Mark
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How about a level crossing with a keeper's cottage on the fiddle yard side of the road in front of the track(s) to block the view of the exit. Add few trees as well and it could make an effective transition. Kind regards, Mark
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Thanks again, Eoin, I've got a busy weekend ahead Kind regards, Mark
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I see what you mean about No.937, it's certainly seen life! And what an excellent subject for modelling! The apparent splitting of the solebar timber over the right-hand wheel is perhaps evidence of its hard existence. Not sure about transfers, as you say they often seem too white, the best option is hand lettering (not sure my hand-eye co-ordination is up to that any more), or gentle use of a fibreglass pencil to abrade them. I do like building mucky wagons! Kind regards, Mark
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