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It varied. For a time the NCC had something like this, as did the GNR, but no other railway did. If you travelled here in the 1970-76 period you'd see a mix of grey and brown wagons. This was simply an old and new livery; everything was grey until 1970, and brown started creeping in after that. By 1976 when the last loose-coupled goods trains were running (other than a few North Wall transfers which went on slighlty longer), about two thirds of the floeet was brown, but a good third still grey. It would not matter whether they were fitted or not. The very earliest fitted wagons were also grey, but most were introduced after 1970 so were brown when new - but because that was the livery, not because they were fitted. As an aside, amongst the grey ones, a very occasional one was still adorned by a flying snail rather then a roundel / broken wheel at the end (mid 70s).

Two green stripes wrong, in fact - the waistline one and the top one! The middle one - which IS accurate, should continue across the doors too...... The colours are correct for the older green livery. However, while there is a black and white photo in existence that appears to show the dark coliur, and with an upper green band, that was certainly not the case for the vast majority, which started their lives silver, with the lighter green livery later - or else were the lighter green when new.

I got a grass applicator the other day, so that scene will soon have scrawny turf bog type vegetation..........

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Had a look at these - nice find indeed. However, I downloaded several just for the craic, but seem to be unable to open them. Any thoughts?

I'd be hoping that just about everyone would have "differences" with that person! ...wonder how he would have fared travelling to Doonbeg on a CIE Gardner / Walker railcar............

Much appreciated, Noel - it looks superb and is a credit to you. I showed pictures of it to Barry Carse too and he was suitably impressed. You've succeeded doing what I initially intended for Dugort Harbour - to have it at exhibitions - but that one is firmly ensconced now in my attic and won't be going anywhere unfortunately - at least until I'm carried out in a box! Love the passenger train with brand-new black'n'tan - but still a tatty oul "silver" van at the back! Must be 1963....................

And a 24XX dining car and tin vans and…..!

20-odd years, though, should be enough to justify them, especially bearing in mind all three liveries….. BR & Dutch about 18 years with them….

They’ll only be doing Belgian ones…… it’s coz of brexit……

I personally think you’d get a market for IRM-quality tin vans, as they were with Park Royals - plus everything else - for their first twenty years. Plus three livery variations of them.

Looking forward to seeing this develop!

I wonder where that numberplate went!

That's a work of art, Ken! The fallen leaves look very convincing too.....

There were no more than three or four of those full brakes which ended up in black'n'tan - no passenger-carrying ones ever did, as the very last ones in use were being withdrawn even as the new BnT livery was only first appearing. (This is why only the full brake is being offered in that livery). About 7 (from memory) full brakes lasted a bit longer. At least two remained green until withdrawn 18 months to 3 years later. The remaining few, all ex-GSWR, seem 9from photos) to have ended their days on the Galway mail trains, where as late as 1967/8 they can be seen. The last two were officially withdrawn in 1969/70 but I believe hadn't been used much in recent times - one certainly hadn't. The very last was No. 69, which is now at Downpatrick, partly converted into a brake first saloon, though it never ran like that. It has been structurally repaired, and I believe its chassis likewise; I'd love to see it in traffic. It needs little more at this stage, I think, than painting and decorating and loose furniture put into it. Anyone free at weekends?

The middle "laminate" is actually not a laminate; it looks lime one of the older early 1950s CIE coaches, with solid timber frame rather than laminated timber. As seen elsewhere, always, mixtures were the norm. the six-wheel "tin van" is one of the last batch of these built - 1965 I think.

That would be an ecumenical matter.

Absolutely. From Day 1, ALL new CIE coaches just got mixed in with everything else. Today, many different types of trains have their own type of couplings or gangways - a massively retrograde step. It should be remembered that in the past, all couplings on everything, and almost all gangways, were compatible. The arrival of fixed-rake Mk 2s on the Enterprise in 1970, and the "Supertrains" in 1972, changed all that, and since then we get uniform rakes of exactly the same type of vehicle. As an aside, this is what gets grumpy oul wans like me waxing lyrical about how dull the railway scene seems today compared with the past, but imagine if on a busy bank holiday, you turned up at Midleton to get a local into Caaark, boy; and the set consisted of an ICR driving car, a 2600 driving car, and a De Deitrich coach in the middle; and hauled behind it was an 1886-built six-wheeler and an ex-Belmond Mk 3, now fitted with bus seats. THAT is what it was like in the past. Therefore, the Park Royal model has absolutely ENDLESS realistic permutations. In reality, every single solitary type of coaching vehicle, from Cravens to very early 1880s 6-wheelers, is theoretically compatible with one, and they're even suitable as AEC railcar intermediates. Indeed, a single one was converted tio an AEC driving trailer in the late 1950s for the Tramore line, and fitted with bus seats to increase seating capacity. They did this by converting one end vestible into a cab, and putting a window in the end. In terms of haulage, anything at all from the oldest steam locos (late 1870s!) still at work in 1955, to 071s; and everything in between. Rarely has anything come on the market with such a wide range of realistic and prototypical uses. I am sure this will sell like hot-cakes; it certainly ought to. I've mentioned this before - I must try to fish out a photo I have somewhere, which shows a mid-day train passing Port Laoise some time about the mid 1970s. It's not a great photo, but you can make out that of some 11 coaches or so, there are scarcely two exactly the same - and yes, Park Royals are represented in among several types of laminate, Cravens, you name it.

I have to agree with you 100% on that! He's like a bagful of monkeys at 13 months old - but give him time - he'll soon have his first train journey and he's already got Thomas the Tank toys (in the correct livery, of course...............................!)

Well deserved

Sadly not...babysitting all weekend! Looks like I missed an excellent one.........

Correct. Until CIE became IE, they had the 6 inch upper black line like other stock did, and no lower one. All waistline white stripes on both PRs and Cravens dated from after 1987, when IE started. However it was many years before all had them - long after the last PRs were withdrawn, quite a few cravens still didn't have the "tippex-ified" variant. Only a few PRs got this, but unlike the Cravens they didn't have an orange line under the cantrail. Just the white line added at waist level.

Absolutely fantastic news. This is a major item of importance for Irish modellers. Very well done to IRM. I look forward to seeing and getting a few! Like most other coaches the sides tended to be kept pretty clean. Expect roofs to be somewhat tatty, and ends, bogies and chassis caked in a patina of brake dust. It was mentioned somewhere that this pretty much amounted to a "livery" for the ends! The first ones painted in green had green ends, but later ones had the standard black ends, continued into the black and tan livery.

It’s worth adding that you’d get them in the middle of AEC railcar sets too…. So what locomotives and liveries? A B101 B121 B141 B181 071 C E shunting! Liveries: Silver Green Black’n’tan Black Black, yellow ends Original brownish-orange 071 livery Supertrain And for the last few, 141s with “tippex” stripes.

For a green or silver Park Royal, all the passenger-carrying six-wheelers will too! Just stick a silver or green IRM “A”in front, and you’ve a perfect 1955-63 train.