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They repainted a very few full vans as they knew they’d be using them a bit longer. And yes, it just so happened that all of these were GSWR in origin, even though there still the odd Midlland one about. Since they knew that all passenger carrying 6-wheelers were for the chop, not one of those was ever black’n’tan even for a short time. Many wooden-bodied bogies of all types became BnT. Mostly GSWR & GNR, but a handful of MGWR.

Correct, you beat me to it! Another was painted in very early 1963. So, 18, 69, 1077 and possibly 79 ended up BnT. All ex-GSWR, all full brakes.

The only six-wheelers to enter the black’n’tan livery were about half a dozen full vans which survived the final cull of all remaining passenger-carrying 6-wheelers in 1963. Two are known to have ended up black’n’tan. One or two more MIGHT have. The other one or two ended their lives still green, but within the black’n’tan era.

Couldn’t agree more, and idiotic, disgracefully badly researched narratives even thrive in supposed railway preservation circles. Personally - drives me mad. So there’s little hope for “community schemes”, with extremely well-meant, but crassly and embarrassingly wrong “plaques”!

He told me that he dry-brushed a light grey colour over them after painting the rails brown.

A friend of mine was at the Clonakilty model village today, where they have an old Sugar Co. Ruston painted bright red and with something like a circular bin lid attached to the front to make it look like a "steam train". Fine; but a plaque on it says that it was the engine which ran the train service on the Tralee - Fenit line! You couldn't make it up.

Not a million miles off it, indeed; here's to a shunting layout of a sugar factory, with this, a "G" class, and an O & K 0.4.0T!

Galteemore Snr X 2 has nailed it..............! That's the PROPER Guinness colour, as also seen on some of the little narrow gauge things like the diesel at Cultra.

My understanding is that Guinness locos were originlaly a very dark olive green - which would also explain them looking "black" (like GNR(I), CDRJC and GSR grey locos too). This also applies to the RPSI's No, 3BG at Whitehead, now painted a quite bright blue, which is far too light for Guinness blue. I do not believe any of the 1'10" locos were ever blue, but at some stage the 5'3" locos became a dark blue as we know. As a related issue, and from a historical perspective, I would like to see the RPSI paint both of their industrials at Whitehead in an authentic manner, not like something out of a Thomas the Tank video or a Sheffield / Hattons Peckett DCC re-release; the pale green on the Derry shunter requires sunglasses to look at; needless to say, the thing never carried any colour like that..... but I digress. Regarding the Guinness wagons, I've no idea what way they were turned out. A lightish brown could indicate just that, or possible that they were originally varnished and this got dulled down in time.............

This, of course, adds even more interest to a layout based on Greenore; these things mixed in with GNR wagons! Regarding wagon livery, whatever shade of grey the LNWR used was probably the same on the DNGR, since their locos and coaches were pure LNWR! It leads me to think that I can't recall ever having seen a photo of a DNGR wagon with the then-typical large letters - presumably "D N G" or "D N G R" on their sides.......... must have a look at Ernie's pics and the IRRS online archive! The van on the extreme left of the pic looks intriguing too...

How did it end up there? Via Kiltimagh, perhaps? I was actually unaware of its existence.......

Most of the wagons on this system were actually GNR wagons, as it was the bigger neighbour, and the very vast majority of the goods traffic generated on the two lines came from / went to the GNR. I doubt if their wagons were as LNWR-esque as the actual LNWR, or the DNGR's carriages and locos - a modeller is much better off with IRCH designs and in particular with GNR(I) markings. To all intents and purposes, its goods working were simply another GNR branch.

Problem is, you're probably dealing with people who know no more about railways than the man in the moon does............ and a public who not only know no more, but couldn't care less!

Don’t worry, it’s after 12…… Had it been 10:00, she would have been hauling a De Dietrich set with a six-wheeled passenger brake and three cattle wagons at the end…

Outstanding!!

If the artist was so meticulous in tracking down the individual carriages, I’d be curious as to what the 3rd & 4th carriages are behind the locomotive….

That was the work of the great Kevan Macintosh!

Indeed - I forgot about the Worsley etches!

You'd make a great - and historically accurate - model of that place, with a compact "large"-looking terminus occuping less space than you'd expect. Track plans and photos are readily available (even my father, often quite cheeseparing with his expenditure on film!) took several shots there. You've enough wagons - the Provincial Leslie output adequately covers all eventualities. Cattle, covered vans and coal in open wagons, and bob's yer whatever. If you got three of those tanks, plus a GNR 2.4.2T or 0.6.0 to mix it up a bit, plus Hattons 6-wheelers, you actually have every single thing you need bar a railbus of DBGR or GNR provenance. For the "what-if" style of layout, liner trains in more modern times; had it been eaten by CIE and the UTA in 1949, UTA would have soon lost interest and shut the Newry line, but we might at least hope for a large container facility. I know some here are interested in all sorts of colourful boxes on modern flat wagons, a la Ballina; this would be a perfect setting for a layout like that. In the 1980s you'll have a "C" and a motley collection of old carriages working all-stops Greenore - Connolly rather than Dundalk - Connolly; today you'd have a 29 class set going in and out. Greenore - DDK - Malahide - Connolly - Pearse. I am sure i've a timetable for that line somewhere.... Maybe a 2-car 28 just serving Greenore to Dundalk.........

Correct - that's exactly what it was.

Ah! That explains it!

I must assume it's been under cover. Where is it exactly now? Looks as if it's had a comparatively recent repaint. If a laminate - by its very name this being obvious - had been left in the open for some 30 years, it would have physically fallen to pieces by now. I did not know there was anything Five Fut Three there at all. They have a Brexitese railbus, sister of the much-loved RB3 at Downpatrick. Oul heaps! They brought over a working steam loco from there too; naturally all narra gauge. They loaid a bit of track including a curve too sharp for any railway vehicle to traverse, locked the lot up in a shed and off they went to leave nature to reclaim it all.

I had seen it online - it's a kit, but I do not know who makes / made it.

Indeed…… I wonder what a “train carriage” is, and if the writer of this drivel is aware that apart from not being specifically for this line, it’s highly unlikely it often - if EVER - traversed Claremorris-Collooney; and that it certainly wasn’t running anywhere in 1874! That whole Riverstown thing was put together by people with zero knowledge, it seems, if anything you’d need to know to undertake such a project…. The coach would find a better home at Downpatrick….

Always thought Greenore would make a fantastic, versatile, unique and highly interesting modelling prototype. Obvious Cyril Fry did too; here are his DNGR models. If anyone wants a closer look, come to the model railway museum in Malahide and ping me in advance. With Hattons doing 6-wheelers in LNWR livery, Provincial’s GNR goods vans, cattle trucks and opens, a Ratio kit suitable for one of their few bogie coaches, and several GNR locos available in kit form, as well as a British 0.6.0 saddle tank that isn’t a million miles off a DNGR tank, tis surely a viable project?