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As long as it was the right shade of orange, of course.

No probs!

In that case it's worth recording for the benefit of others that this shade and this make are right. All it needs is a yellow unlined cab number and light green lined snail on the tender! ;-) If snail-less, it's also accurate. If it retains on old GSR numberplates, grey background, not black... But ye know that, rich...! Just for the info of others, if interested!

Hahahaha excellent! Daughter has reported back already on the proliferation of folk whose gender credentials are highly questionable..... The railways of Thailand, Malaysia and above all Indonesia are actually very interesting and would make an amazing model in 1970-90 period especially.

Just in case it's of interest to anyone, my daughter took this in Bangkok yeaterday, where she's on holiday.

That grey looks as close to the real thing as I've seen.

Having seen it working, it's an amazing beast in action.

Light engines, usually singly.

A man with a shovel back in the day. And he wasn't even wearing yellow socks.....

I can't speak for the motor, but I'd say you could do a reasonable approximation with one of those. The chassis might do for a 400 or 500 class also, if connecting rod differences were not a huge deal. Given that a pre 1960 layout based on the Cork line would need 400s,500s and "Woolwiches", (three 800's couldn't handle ALL the traffic!) it would be good to see a decent kit of them.

It's 1916, sorry, 2016, and a centenary, Leslie, so if there are orange ones, they'll have to do them in green too! ;-)

I like the music in that youtube clip, Ben, what is it?

Looks great! Don't let Dougal near operating tracks though.

Superb!!

In non-photoshopped terms, I think an 80 class and red bull livery were the worst mismatch in creation.

The NCC painted some of its early railcars maroon and cream as well, and given its owner, obviously used LMS maroon exactly. The GSR version may not have been exactly, specifically, LMS issue, but was indistinguishable in reality.

Easy one to make, Old Blarney, as the pics are two tone black and white, and the coaches with light up or panels had brown below! The second batch of Drumms were normal "LMS" style. The old MGWR 6 wheeler at Clifden displayed traces of the maroon, plus the lining (LMS style) as does one of the DCDR ones.

I'm not that au fait with golf, boskonay...... I'd defer to his knowledge..... ;-)

I always thought that little corners like that have great potential for all sorts of sidings or depots....

The GSWR painted most wagons, most of the time, plain black all over, sometimes an extremely dark grey, darker than locomotives and almost black. Prior to about 1890, at a guess, some stock was seen brand new with what appears to be varnished wood with (very unusually for Ireland) black ironwork. After about 1915, a more "normal" wagon grey was used. In all cases, lettering was white. The MGWR used plain grey throughout, with white lettering. This was the norm with almost all companies. Both the GNR and UTA, while normally following the above, appear to gave started painting fitted wagons brown (a lighter shade than CIE) in the mid or late 50s. CIE was all grey until the H vans and "palvans" appeared. They were in a lighter grey. CIE's brown only appeared about 1970. Going back to pre 1925, narrow gauge companies were all grey, though up to the early 1930s the CDRJC used all-black. For modellers, it's easy to default to grey everywhere, but there are a few exceptions as seen. The main areas to watch, if striving for accuracy, would be - - is your model of a fitted wagon or not? If so, and if UTA it GNR, what year is it based? - don't pick livery details up from almost anything preserved; wrongness is the norm there, unfortunately! - be award that in old photos, especially black and white, rusting ironwork can look darker or even black, and filthy chassis can also look darker. Wagons were rarely well cared for cosmetically. - related to above, heavy weathering (very especially on UTA) is the norm; pristine goods stock was so rare it almost looks unrealistic. In particular, a whole rake of identical wagons was in itself almost unknown, but an identical rake all clean......no! - don't do the "Hornby thing"; black chassis for everything. Very few wagons in Ireland had a black chassis and coloured body - NCC brown vans bring a rare exception. Hope this is helpful.

....so it's narrow gauge! ;-)

The GSR had four basic carriage liveries. After the 1925 amalgamation, the GSWR's deep shade of Crimson Lake (actually a very deep red with a distinct brownish tint) was continued, but extended to vehicles from other companies. Obviously the lettering and crest were different, but while different in size, similar in style. From 1918, the MGWR had started using a similar shade, so with the overwhelming majority of the GSR's stock in deep maroon anyway, it made sense to use up supplies of existing paint. Only the DSER (lighter maroon) and the CBSCR (olive green) chang significantly. This dark shade became the standard GSWR livery for some years. Accurate renditions of it can be seen on the DCDR's coach 836 (as it is at the moment, not the way it used to be with white panels and incorrect lining); also on the the model made by Inchicore apprentices of the dining car, which is in the UFTM at Cultra. Lining was in red and gold, as above examples will show. In 1929 they introduced a new livery but only for main line stock. This was brown and cream, more or less the same shade as the English Great Western Railway, although the brown may have been very slightly darker on the GSR. Lining was plain black with one line separating the brown and cream at waist level, and another line directly above window level, with a third just below cantrail level. The crimson lake had white roofs initially, later dark grey or black. The brown and cream livery had only dark grey roofs. Because brown and cream was meant to be a main line livery, it was never to be seen on narrow gauge stock. Very very few six wheeled vehicles ever got it; I've seen just two pictures of such things ever, and both were passenger brake vans which would have been used on main line trains as well as branches. Secondary bogie stock, and all other passenger stock remained the dark shade. In 1933 the first "steels" (what we call "Bredins") were introduced, in a new livery. This was a lighter maroon identical to English LMS livery, and with identical lining in yellow and black, identically positioned; someone from Inchicore may have been over there and just liked it! This was to become standard, and was applied to ALL passenger stock of all types and of both gauges. The only variations were on some secondary stock of older types, and almost all narrow gauge stock which had standard crest and markings, but no lining at all. In these times, things weren't painted as often as in later years, as money was tight. So by the time CIE appeared in 1945, while almost all was the "new" maroon, the odd vehicle was still in brown /cream, and at least one old spare passenger brake was still in very dishevelled dark GSWR livery, never having been repainted in any GSR livery at all! I think, but can't confirm, that the last coaches painted in brown and cream were thus treated about 1933. The fourth livery was both short lived and applied to very few vehicles; this was the LMS shade maroon with cream upper panels. This was only seen, and only for a short time, on the first batch of Drumm trains. These were eventually repainted normal "LMS" post-1933 livery. So - the GSR inherited GSWR / MGWR "lake". CIE inherited the DUTC's 1941 green, and in 1987 IE inherits CIE orange and black!

All the credit to Barry's photos! Another photo book in planning stage will deal with photos of 1925-65 era. Initial evaluation of the collections it's based on will be this weekend.

Many thanks for your kind comments, gentlemen. "Rails Through North Kerry", the equivalent for south of Limerick, has actually been complete for some time but the publisher wanted to spread out several railway titles. It will now be due for release hopefully before the RPSI May tour. It covers Limerick to Tralee, with extensive extras encompassing colour to Castlemungret, Foynes, Fenit and just for an extra, Castleisland. Also colour at Bruree, Croom and Rosstemple on the little known Croom branch. A brand new "G" with an 1880 green Midland six wheeler on the Foynes passenger / mixed, steam to Castlemungret and brand new light blue wagons there. Tar traffic at Lixnaw and Listowel race specials, a GAA special, a picture of the almost totally unknown (extremely rare) visit of a 121 to the line, Rock Street goods yard, the Fenit pier steam crane IN steam to unload a ship, wagons awaiting on pier and a "G" kicking about..... Green railcars at Newcastle West before the passenger service ended, what else....I'm trying to remember....! A "C" shunting Carey's Road yard in Limerick.... And - an entire section on the weedsprays over the years, including the old one that many thought looked like a steam engine!

Original normal grey?