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Quite possibly.......!

I'd dread getting to your age, GSR...!

Excellent work!

Did they re-gauge it? Lol

...and yet it's the reddish brown... Which perhaps suggests than Brendan's list refers to those rebuilt, as opposed to those used for Courtaulds. So, probably the one I saw was not rebuilt, but was used for Courtaulds.... would that make sense? If the "C" prefix refers to Courtaulds traffic as earlier suggested, this would add to this theory. It has just occurred to me that the spoil wagons, as far as I remember, had numbers beginning with "M". Obviously, then, "Magheramorne"? Such us the beauty of research. Fifty years on, we learn something new every day.

Been there many a time, Dive! I couldn't detach those either..... The "uncut" version is the way all UTA wagons used for Courtaulds traffic were, and therefore all red-brown ones. It was only after NIR set some aside for PW work that they received light grey point and had their sides cut down, if that's any help. The UTA tended to remove the old NCC cast number plates, certainly by the late 50s in most cases, and paint numbers in the style shown on Leslie's model instead. (I like the rusty looking ironwork on it - absolutely authentic!). They did retain their small oval makers plates (only about 6 inches across - WAY smaller than CIE ones). These were attached to the chassis around the middle, below the drop-down side.

All three that worked on the W & T did, I believe.

I wonder what he meant by "not prepared to supply"..... Not commercially viable, or run out of stock? I do know, as many of us here will, that those brave enough to produce an Irish model, either in kit or RTR form, aren't doing it to retire in riches! (So, as a separate issue, hats off to them....)

I'll try to stick to looking up more Claremorris pictures...

Up to the late 40s, 800s excepted, just grey all the way. Then lined green for suburban passenger and main line passengers engines (most) and grey for everything else with a few green exceptions (like just one old GSWR 60 class). Somewhere, somewhere, in the Catacombs I have a list of what engines got black - this was only in the late 50s. I'll try and find it and post. Really, that's about it.

Do we know when?

I've seen your pics also Mayner, absolutely top class stuff, looks really authentic.

If it's an oil burner it should be all-grey, not black (though dirt / oil deposits might make it look black!). Also the common but obvious error that "snail" is yellow. Snails were never yellow on steam engines, be they grey, black or green - this was Whitehead invention when 461 was first restored about 1990 or so. The RPSI had a black livery with yellow snail on 461 and 184. The loco number in unlined yellow, yes, but the "snail" should always, without exception, be pale green lined in gold. CIE simply didn't have transfers in yellow for steam engines. By the time the yellow ones for 121s appeared, no remaining steam engine would ever see a paintbrush again - within a year it would be the scrapper's torch. I would say the stark white circle (and it's interesting to see a model with this - all credit to the modeller for this aspect!) would have ended its white career half way into its first run!

I've seen that stuff before but I don't remember where it is, or what layout - anyone?

Drool drool drool.......!!!!! That C & L stuff is absolutely amazing! Fantastic!

"Party Rosette"? Glenderg, political comment ban notwithstanding, I will offer to be your election agent. And I will pay my water charges if the water is brought to southside Dublin in long trains of bogie tankers hauled by Lough Swilly tender engines.

A double decker turnip tin would indeed be a good model! Looking at the detail, probably somewhat more fiddly to scratchbuild than it looks.....

This shows how much can be done without spending a fortune. I'm enjoying following this....

Lined dark green, weathered....? Looks more GSR grey, apart from red NCC coupling rods... Seriously excellent model, though. Lovely stuff!

Yes, that variant is a "half way house"; upper orange yet to be applied. A bit like the occasional loco in those days with new "set of points" logo instead of the CIE one, but as yet no "tippex". Or current ICRs with no logos, or the writing but no "flag".

I see now - I thought he meant a 3" line ABOVE the windows until I re-read it! To clarify. B'n'T inception until early 1990s. Then white line below added, with 6" white above altered to thinner white + orange by degrees. The odd one in original style was still about into the late 90s.

All the Cravens had the same 6" band, stevie. That's just the light. All that was done to them was - like the BR vans which had a thinner line due to the design of the roof - was addition of the white line below. A few years later, an orange line started being added above window level, then the white line there was narrowed to make room for it.

The Cravens obviously had standard B'n'T for most of their lives, and probably all of their lives in a few examples. Rather than the "tippex" livery, they received a specific livery which no oth vehicles carried, in IE times, with the first being repainted this probably about 1990 or so. This leafy the basic B'n'T the same, but instead of the broad white line above the windows, a thinner one plus an orange one were substituted. Only one or two ever got a white line below the windows too, and they didn't retain it long. Similarly, one at least, and possibly two, got the "set-of-points" logo at each end, again for a temporary period.

I have that book, Weshty, and P 71 is GNR steam in Enniskillen....

The "misty" one is from the top of the tram, and the smoke is from detonators, as the tram leaves Fintona for the very last time. The other is of the loco being attached to it. The tram had no proper coupling, and the horse's harness wasn't the best fit for the loco. So, as Senior (who organised the move from there to Omagh, and the tram's preservation) said, "it was attached to the engine by all sorts of bits of chain and things - whatever seemed to hold it". Ohhh, what a great day our Health & Safety Taliban would have had! No day glo, of course, and several hangers-on hitching a lift with Senior and other railwaymen. Senior travelled on the tram to the junction, and on the loco footplate to Omagh from where another loco took it forward - very slowly - to Belfast.