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I seem to recall seeing both black and silver window frames quite a few years ago.... possibly there were other examples? Now, to be fair, I might be getting this mixed up with some NIR coaches which definitely had both silver and painted window frames at different times.

" CIE/IR/IE "orange/tan" is probably going to be as contentious an issue as CIE Green. " True, but it needn't be, as ample photographic evidence exists. As far as green is concerned, CIE used the dark brunswick green shade now to be seen on 800 in Cultra. This is original, as i have compared it with a board painted in the 1940s with the Dublin United Tramways green - which it was a direct copy of. No modern theories, no copies of paint on models, can overwrite this. The example I mention is to be seen as a background to the DUTC coat of arms on the wall of Headhunter's Railway Museum in Enniskillen, who I gave it to, along with a collection of other Irish railway coats of arms, all which bear ORIGINAL paint - for those interested! An original DUTC "Flying Snail" is there too - and the green matches 800. This is the dark green, not what 461 carries now, by the way. (Though to be fair, it is VERY close, and the RPSI as always did a SUPERB job!). This green existed from 1941 (DUTC), then 1945 (CIE) until the mid fifties. The light green which followed is on DCDR's TPO and the Dublin based RPSI Heritage set. So that's the green. Orange and derivitaves: The original from 1962 lasted until about 1988 / 90, when a lighter more "orangey" shade came in, as now seen on remaining Mk 3's. Locomotives started appearing in this shade from early 90s. The colour GM delivered the 071s in was no more orange than it was CIE green! It was a light brown colour, albeit with an orangy tint. Quite a dull shade - in fact, it even made the OLDER orange livery on carriages look very bright beside it.

They post-date the A, B, C, D, E, F & G classes, Josefstadt. Maybe "H" class would do.....

Very many thanks, gentlemen!

Learned Colleagues.... Just wondering who might be an expert on the above. I am hoping to put together an 009 gauge layout at some stage in the future, which would have in total some 30 - 35 turnouts arranged over five stations - one reasonably sized terminus and four other small ones. I am aware that wiring these is not at all like wiring traditional turnouts with insulated frogs (á la Peco Streamline). I am sure we have an expert among us who might be able to assist me with advice?

So are they now the 92600117071 class?!

This one would have been fitted - remains evident of bauxite reddish-brown livery..... and later version of NCC lettering.

TPO van needs black roof.....

Nelson - top class stuff, especially the weahering!

UP6936 - I suppose there's always room for an error somewhere... it has to be said though that the overall standard of Murphy's Models is absolutely stunning and we'd be a great deal poorer without them.... but in original livery they should not be the standard CIE orange.

Very impressive! Keep going, Nelson; you'll find all the help you need here - not that there's anything wrong with what you've done so far!

Not one of the various termini in Belfast, Dublin and Cork combined had five routes leaving from them....

Claremorris was known in days of yore as "The Crewe of the West". Strabane had five routes also: broad gauge to Derry and Omagh, narrow gauge to Derry, Letterkenny and Stranorlar.

The shade they were delivered in was considerably "browner" than the standard at the time; from my observations the model version has standard orange? I haven't seen one in the flesh but this would be incorrect. As suggested above, at first repaint they received "proper" CIE livery - including a correct sized and coloured logo on each end, rather than the slightly larger one with white surround as applied by La Grange. All were delivered in this La Grange version, thus all were in service in this livery. All were repainted as outlined above as and when repainting became due.

Steam loco builder - Manisty's, Dundalk?

Pubs as stations: The answer is the Dublin & Blessington. Now, TrainModel's questions.... Named locos on the GSR / CIE apart from those mentioned - Sir William Goulding 4.4.0, and "Pat" in the Cork coaling stage; "Jumbo" and "Sambo", the shunters at Waterford and Inchicore respectively. Also "Argadeen" and "St Molaga" on the T & C line in West Cork.

To moderators: perhaps a page could be sdet up within this site giving links to as many websites as possible, which show pics of Irish railways in the past and which might be of use to modellers?

I think they are the same.....

Good stuff, folks - didn't know about Enniskeane & Ballineen having separate stations originally! Belfast Central Junction briefly served the area that would now be covered by City Hospital, and then there was the old Maysfields Terminus, many many moons before Central Station. Next Question: Which 5ft 3 line used pubs adjacent to the line as "stations" in several locations, where people bought tickets / waited for the train?

You could make a passable loco of GNR, NCC or GS (group) origin, even by sticking an appropriate cab on it.... yes, the MGWR example would be good... Inchicore cab and chimney would go a long way towards recreating a decent replica.

BRILLIANT!!!!!! Love it! Next - Connolly Station, the Enterprise, loco'n'all, a DD set, an ICR and a DART all present.....!!

Another aspect of the sectarian tension between the staff and management involved a recently appointed station master being ordered out of his bed in the night by masked gunmen and frog marched 12 miles to Killeshandra, and told never to appear in the area again! Next question: Name a few places which had one station built when the line opened, only to be replaced by a second station nearby on a subsequent date? To start: Tullymurry, Co Down; Mulrany, Co Mayo, LLSR Terminus in Derry................

Clucko's not the most forthcoming, all right, but: as Wrenn says, the Jacks are Back! So: a challenge. Who's the first to photo-shop a pic of an 071 and a set of Cravens; or an ICR - in two tone blue?

At one stage the GSR gave serious consideration to altering the gauge to 5ft 3. Had this occurred, it would have made an interesting parallel to the Timoleague line; another broad gauge roadside tramway but with heavy coal trains instead of No. 90 trailing two covered vans along about twice a week! There's a near-equivalent: sand trains on the Blessington tramway by night....!

Re the date CIE moved from grey to brown.... having studied many hundreds, even thousands, of photos from the 1970s, and with my own observations in mind, I would say that in the 1970 - 78 period, approximately 65% of wagons were brown, the rest still grey. Obviously, more grey about 1972, say; and more brown a few years later.