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The photos of the SLNC coach and the C & L wagons are definitely at least partially "colourised" in some way, or perhaps the originals were on poor quality film. C & L wagons were never that dark a grey, although the grey used by CIE did "lighten" in the late fifties, and with a pale green "snail" these are in earlier grey. But it wasn't THAT dark. The SLNC coach looks to be a faded brown colour. In fact, all SLNC coaches were maroon - although bad fading due to cheap paint - and not enough of it - and a liberal coacting of pale brown brake dust due to the company not being able to afford enough cleaners - made some coaches don a distinctly brownish hue. But this one looks like its original colour was some sort of brown - which it wasn't. As an aside, given the SLNCR's lack of bank balance for decades, I wouldn't be surprised if they got paint from the GSR or NCC, as they used the same sort of dark maroon.

Superb! I hope to see this at exhibitions! Will that be likely?

Is it DCC fitted?

Loads of potential there! Nice sized set-up.

Maroon fading was probably best seen on SLNCR stock - which though still in use was faded even worse, to an extent that even embarrassed the management - and covered on top of that with a good layer of brake dust! On a visit to the Isle of Man in 1973 I saw an abandoned coach body somewhere which looked "pink" for the same reason.

Incidentally, lately someone asked me if I had livery details fro the W & C I R. I knew I did somewhere; here goes: Locomotives: Similar to GSWR - a very dark olive green with light green, red and black lining, black boiler bands and brown frames edged in black and red. One source suggests that loco tenders only had a single red lining. Carriages: Very dark lake with vermillion and gold lines, again almost identical to GSWR. Quite possibly, they got their locos and coaches painted at inchicore. However, another source suggests a dark blue livery with elaborate lining. My suspicion would be that they might have started off like this, but repaints were later done in GSWR style. If so, this would amplify a theory of work being sub-contracted to Inchicore. Alternately, the "blue" theory might simply be wrong, as all other sources suggest a very dark maroon, like a GSWR-esque purply-brown "Guinness" colour. Balance of probability is therefore with the dark maroon. Carriages had the company's crest in the centre. Wagons were slate grey all over with white lettering. Unusually, it seems that metalwork was picked out in black - at least on the chassis, anyway.

Very interesting indeed - that's a beauty. I'd like one of those myself. Curious as to why there's no "3" on the doors, though - that was standard with the GSR, and it's in the later GSR (LMS maroon) livery judging by the lining.

I love the weathering on these and the peeling paintwork. Is this "built in" by Alphagraphix, or did you do it?

The brown patches were fitted there by that well-known Inchicore fitter, Hu Flung Dung.

Seen in Malahide tonight, while on me way into town to perform the Great and Ancient Ceremony of the Imbibulation of Falling-Down Liquids. . In recent times, the following: (Spot the odd one out. The winner gets to buy me a pint later this evening).

That is precisely the way it was - not just on CIE, but on all railways. Add to that the fact that there was no such thing as standardisation. Many coaches were built as one-offs, or perhaps there were two, six or eight of them - so in many cases even if the traffic department had the pick of the whole fleet to make up every train, there simply did not exist enough of the exact same type to make up a single train, let alone (as now) every signle train on any given route.

I reported the ad. Spoilsport busybody, me, but it had to be done. Maybe the seller should stick to tarmaccing drives for cash only, sir.

I know that there's the old saying "let the buyer beware", and many will argue that if someone is prepared to pay a certain price for a certain thing, there ye go - it's nobody else's business. However, this is downright FRAUD. When I come across such things, I report them as fraud to the website. What, by the way, is a "ralway"? Something to do with paint colour reference numbers?

By far the most interesting period, indeed; the twilight of the "grey'n'green" era. BCDR trains would have wandered beyo0nd fairly close-by GNR locations, and certainly not onto the GSR / CIE. By the time you're looking at, the NCC has become the UTA. Under either, you wouldn't have got trains running to CIE territory either. However, the GNR is a different matter. GNR coaches made it to Cork on the "Enterprise" for a short time in the early 50s. By the time the GNR was broken up in late 1958, EX Great Northern locos, wagons, and rolling stock appeared in all sorts of places across CIE, especially the ex-DSER section. Well into the 1960s, it was possible to see wagons still in GNR livery (especially opens) with the large "G N" on the side - though with a "CIE" stencil perhaps, and an "N" added after the wagon number. One GNR coach managed to last until 1967 still in brown livery - I've a note of which one somewhere - it was an open brake 3rd. A GNR clerestorey coach, again still in brown livery, was used on passenger services on both the West Cork system and the Loughrea branch, in both cases very briefly, around 1960. GNR locos, including a (dirty!) blue "U" class 4.4.0, were regulars on the Dun Laoghaire Pier shuttle from 1959 to about 1962. While full trains didn't run in the circumstances mentioned above, it was by no means unusual to see individual carriages and / or passenger vans operating to all sorts of weird places - carrying pigeons to be released. I kinow of one case of a UTA van of some sort ending up in Baltimore with pigeons - literally as far from home as it could be, which was presumably exactly the point of the pigeon people. By B&NCR I presume you meant BCDR? The B&NCR was the same as the NCC. The (English) Midland Rly. (NCC) took over the Belfast & Northern Counties; it then was taken over in Britain by the LMS, so the NCC became the LMS NCC instead of the MR NCC. That became part of the UTA in 1949, then NIR. The BCDR, on the other hand (Belfast & Co Down Rly) was a separate company, physically unconnected to the BNCR / NCC except through belfast dock sidings. The BNCR was north and north-west of Belfast; the BCDR south east of Belfast. So it was nothing to do with either BNCR or NCC - however, it, too, became part of the UTA in 1949, before they closed almost all of it 18 months later! Special trains into Dublin from northern places would have been GNR, and even after the UTA and CIE ate the GNR in 1958, you might say the UTA's ex-GNR stock. However; as you say, "Rule 1"!

Rightly so! Was unable to go myself unfortunately. RIP, Noel.

That’s exactly the two I was thinking about.

The all-first appears to be one of - from memory - one of two built about 1962, the last timber-framed coaches ever built in Inchicore. Regarding older wooden bodied stock, yes, all gone by 1980, as were the last Bredins. The last of the steam-era timber framed, wooden panelled stock appears to have been withdrawn in 1972-4, all of it ex-GSWR. Last Bredins about 1976 or so.

Exactly - that’s pretty normal for those times!

That 567 engine is pure music. Reminds me of my teenage years travelling about the country, often with them up front.

Killala. And yes, Schull too, and Killybegs had a pretty busy fish traffic, as did Ardglass, Co Down. Dingle too - it had a pier siding like Killybegs, Schull and Ardglass did.

AEC railcars were also the almost staple diet of the Cork - Bantry passenger service from about 1953 to closure. The C's worked the goods and the branches. The Guard's Van must have been stinking by the time it got to Dublin! They used old fish vans, dating back to pre-1925 (pre-GSR) days. They never built any of their own. Fish was handled at a number of places. Going back to GSR times, even more places (e.g. Achill and to a very small extent, Clifden). Latterly, West Cork & Valentia mostly. Possibly somewhere on the South Wexford?

I'm sure it would. No diesel loco in the silver livery ever carried the "snail" in traffic, other than the "A" class, on which the attached metal cut-out symbol, like the number, was painted light green. As for C234, if anyone can unearth a photo of it in use with this thing on it, I will be surprised.

One “C” (or possibly an “A”; I’d have to look it up) very briefly had an orange buffer beam instead of red; it was a black loco at the time. Another, while in the black-with-yellow-end livery, briefly had the yellow patch on the ends extended down to cover the buffer beam. I’m unsure of C234 carrying a “snail” while actually in traffic - have you a photo?

The light green was introduced about 1957/8 to cover up the absolutely ghastly mess that the "silver" had become; I think, actually, that the very last few "C"s commenced service in green rather than silver. The orange and black commenced in 1962. However, just like the survival of the (awful!) Mlime green, white and navy blue on 29 class railcars today, it took quite a few years before all were repainted from green to black'n'tan, or after 1964 or so, all-black. There was still the odd green "C" to be seen up to about 1967. Exact same story for the B101s and "A" class. What other livery variations were you told about as a matter of interest? I'm unaware of any, to be honest, other than the famous yellow and (separately) orange buffer beam experiments.........

I asked Senior about that years ago. He said that he thought the lettering on "Lissadell" had been painted white. As we know, nameplate "liveries" in the SLNCR varied; some plates had red backgrounds, some black; some polished, some painted. Must draw up a list sometime. But look at the COACH! It is so faded and so dirty is actually looks brown - when in fact it was painted a dark LMS-like maroon! In later days many of their carriages were so extremely shabby that you could barely tell what colour they actually were under it all. Note the BNCR coach in the background. The flat sides were the tell-tale sign of Belfast & Northern Counties stock, the very last examples of which (in emergency peak suburban use on the Larne line) were still to be seen in use as late as 1965. This one, at this stage, is a Mess Van in UTA green.