DiveController

Hattons sent me my trunk items to USA last week with no charge. Probably needed the space  

On 15/11/2023 at 1:10 PM, TimO said:

@jhb171achill Thank you. Did this wide variety of Bredins and CIE 1951-53 stock run on basically the same chassis and bogies?  Designed and built in Inchicore?

Were the true laminates on the same chassis?

I’m looking forward to your photos. Plenty of scope for new IRM models here.

The earlier GSR bogie stock mostly had 57’ under frames on compartment and clerestory coaches except for a few unique coaches on the Rosslare boat train with 60’ and 66’ frames. Later coach production switched to 60’ which persisted into only a few early CIE era coaches after which 61’6 became the standard length for decades to follow. I’m a long way from any of my references books and  I’ll try to post more detail when I can, but the vast majority of CIE coaching stock after c1953, PRs and laminates to follow were all on the Inchicore built 61’6” chassis 

10 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

Here’s another. Lighting shows it more accurately here - looks a bit brownish in the first shot.

This is of course one of Cyril Fry’s models, a Bredin coach.

 

OK, OK,.... despite my earlier post regarding the lack of motive power for this era, I had forgotten how good the coaching stock from GSR look and yes I would obviously buy a rake or two if they were available. 

I'll be honest though, I'd be happier if IRM had taken a stab at these rather than Hattons.

So the expectation would be a rake of various 4 and 6 wheel bogies sufficient to make the Cork-Rosslare Boat Train. I have a red-lined Black loco that has been sitting idle for a decade 

Actually Hattons could throw in a Pullman while they're at it 

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5 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

In Tuam loco shed, there was a poltergeist who moved things about. You would set something down and when you came back it had been moved somewhere else.

poltergeist is actually just his eBay handle. You can find your stuff there  

On 8/11/2023 at 11:28 AM, jhb171achill said:With the norm in Ireland being various 4.4.0 and 0.6.0 types, one or both will be inevitable, I feel.

A common and late-lasting GNR, MGWR AND  GSWR design of either type would seem the most logical.

Just corrected the typo in your post.
You’re welcome  

12 hours ago, BosKonay said:

For me i’ve ordered some of the CIE ones but ultimately they’re not really a ‘model’ more an impression so i’d rather spend the money on accurate models  

As would we all had there even been a timely announcement  of a pending alternative which doesn't seem likely if you're purchasing these 

16 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

Question to our learned friends here: Hattons report very healthy interest in the CIE-livery coaches.

Doubtless many here (meself included) have pre-ordered some.

Would anyone be interested in a GSR-liveried range?

Obviously, when CIE took over not everything had green paint slapped over it that very second. As we’ve seen with the 29 class railcars, it took over ten years for the last of them to become “green goddesses”.

There was one C & L coach still in GSR maroon (albeit badly faded) as late as 1956. Thus, any early CIE layout could have a mix of newly-CIE’d coaches, and others still maroon…..

So, for a layout of 1933-45 + a bit after…..? Thoughts?

I understand the livery delay issue but pictures would speak volumes here if that were possible. I would be even more interested in GSR/GSWR if traction was available but right now that would probably amount to a OOworks J15. I liked the SSM GSWR Maroon bogie coaches but never got round to making any. In the absence of any  steam traction option for the period realistically I would probably pass on GSR although I have one of everything green ordered in this range and a couple of BnT brakes

2 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

I don't think it was original GSWR - more like 1960s CIE rebuild...?

78 years of use would have out it at late GSR or inception of CIE

Oddly in the Uk it would probably haven been listed as part of the original GSWR and they have to find a work around. I don’t think Ireland is that thoughtful in preserving heritage 

5 hours ago, DJ Dangerous said:

 

A bit of discussion on ther liveries here, @DiveController, as per your question in the other 22000 thread.

 

 

 

Read this entire thread only to find your post at the end , Dave. This is the most informative post regarding liveries. I realized the bowling ball livery is actually probably the only one that ran with the last of anything Orange  

This is so not my era as you know but as an ex-pat when these were introduced I don’t have any real nostalgia for them. I do like the look of the RTE Big Music week ( only nostalgic way to justify a purchase ) but I’m confused about the intercity ribbon livery post 2013. Is this when IE went I’ve to the current logo?

Can someone explain the liveries on these? The post 2013 livery for example seems to have both intercity ribbons and rubix cube icons?  

On 29/10/2023 at 2:36 AM, murphaph said:

But the packs with the flying snail description would be suitable for a layout based in say 1962?

Yes

On 29/10/2023 at 5:18 AM, Westcorkrailway said:

I think he means “work with CIE roundel Era stuff” versus “works with Flying snail Era stuff”  I have seen at least one of the grey chassis ones with a snail on the chassis. actually I think one of each in the grey pack has the snail represented.

 

A larger Steam engine like a Bandon tank also worked the beet from Ballinascarthy to cork. From Kent, I’ve seen footage of no.801 maca haul the rakes of sugar beet as far as mallow. 

Grand job! We be needing the 800snext then, lads

You know I had to get out of bed on this side of the world to see a timer at zero and nada. The lads need to stick to the old trains 

Did I miss something?

On 1/10/2023 at 4:13 AM, Fiacra said:

A question for the IRM folks. Now that Mk2 delivery is on the horizon, are there plans to sell the scale-Irish-width B4 bogies as separate packs (e.g. to replace the narrower bogies on MM carriages)?

Oh that would make life so easy. Without being overly critical of the compromises IRM had to make for its Irish stock still running on OO gauge, the brakes are in line with that gauge rather than being on the correct place on the bogie, maybe it would have looked too weird for them to be in the correct position with the wheels themselves inboard on the bogies 

On 26/9/2023 at 10:46 AM, Westcorkrailway said:

I think there are far fewer light green ones being sold. As the IRM A class shows. The dark geeen livery is one of the most popular liveries A46 sold out months before A42 ect. 
 

not to mention a Lot of 6 wheelers got the Axe Before they got the light green livery anyways

Difficult to judge the popularity of any of the IRM A class since a set number was not necessarily made, unless you have access to that close to the chest information? Popularity of the A46 liveried one could be related to the prevalence and longevity of the prototypical livery, anticipated demand, general appeal of the particular livery, batch sizes of other A class models, etc etc

On 28/9/2023 at 10:11 AM, jhb171achill said:

Dark green 1945-55, with some examples remaining longer.

Light green 1955-62. 
 

Black’n’tan 1962 onwards.

Most six-wheelers in traffic by 1960 were repainted light green.

ALL passenger-carrying six wheelers were withdrawn by 1963, so none got B’n’T. However, a few six-wheeled full vans (3 or at most 4) survived into the late 60s, gaining BnT. This is why only the van is offered in this livery.

Given that the dark green livery was the official type for a decade, versus about 8 years for the lighter green, I presume the relative lack of light green in traffic is related to displacement by the substantial bogie coach building program of the early 50s, and some delay in repainting the dark green into light green particularly of they were being cascaded to secondary routes?   Its a shame that we don't have an Irish rtr steam engine to pull these, other that a OOworks J15 I mean 

On 21/6/2023 at 5:52 AM, Mike Beckett said:

 

Jebus JB, this thread is so old most of the original posters are dead now! You been on the harpic again!!

Speak for yourself, far from it. A little disinterested maybe but not dead

On 17/5/2023 at 8:47 AM, Galteemore said:

As a 7mm modeller, I think Irish modelling as an individual (as opposed to a club) in this scale actually works more easily with older prototypes, which tended to have more scope for shorter and more varied trains. Modern Irish trains take up a lot more space than the old Loughrea formations, for instance….

A 7mm 071 and 6 Mk3s, for example, will take up 3.5m just standing still. Just imagine how much room you’d need for a layout that will do that justice. 

Take it to the garden, granted not the best climate where you guys are, (we have our moments too)

little interest in industrial though  

On 11/5/2023 at 3:44 AM, Niles said:

1944 in the early green at Downpatrick. And yes, I know that technically it wouldn't have carried this livery as a brake conversion or with the plated over windows but it's actually one of the very early ones (originally numbered 1381, so the 3rd in the batch) so quite likely would have been one of the ones to carry it.

Given the RPSI ones generally carried the lighter green it's something different anyway.

Well , if memory serves it became second in the batch after 1380 was converted to AM14.Wasn't 1381 refurbished to 1944 after being involved in the Cheryville accident?

EDIT: On reviewing the 1987 list of stock it looks like in addition the following coaches are missing from the PR 1379- sequence and may be the ones converted to TL brakes coaches 1941-8 c.1984.

1381, 1382, 1392, 1393, 1397, 1412, 1414

I presume that 1380 and 1408 were still AM 14 & AM 15 (c 1971) or had they been retired? I don't see them listed  in 1987 but I seem to be short of a brake coache above. Maybe one from the 1420 series?

1419 which had been Snack 2423 until c 1984? was back in the regular PR fleet 

On 7/5/2023 at 6:43 AM, DJ Dangerous said:

 

Did you try @murphaph's decal sheets, @DiveController?

I'm sure that you are correct, there were CAD images in one of the Fert or P42 posts with NET or IFI branding.

Unfortunately, I haven't been on here probably in months now and just picked up on this fortuitously. What did Phil do?  A heat shrink wrap for the pallets or something, or a decal sheet to be applied to them i guess. I'll look into it.Just came on the site to ask a Park Royal question 

9 hours ago, BosKonay said:

October. 

Which October?

6 hours ago, Colin R said:

That's OK then might have a chance to move to a new location subject to things happening the way we want them to, which means I will have the time to save up to buy some of the next batch. will need more green and silver livery versions I think.

In that case does anyone have the knowledge of when each loco went from as delivered Silver to Green and then to Black and Tan V1? I would be looking at nothing later than say 1966 thanks in advance.

Colin 

I think you might be ok for  any silver green or black except maybe black with yellow panel

8 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

Often wondered if it’s possible to tell a Protestant locomotive from a Catholic one…..

(….here’s me bus….)

All Catholic steamers are grey livery but all Protestants are B)@()<

( thank God we’ve moved on from all that, like seriously )

Got an email but it didn’t say anything about refunding any remaining balances 

3 hours ago, DJ Dangerous said:

I thought that the conductors went in the coaches, not the locos?

The ones that go up front are only semi conductors

55 minutes ago, John-r said:

All good things come to those who wait, and these will definitely be worth waiting for, especially my three DRS 37s, gutted I missed a sound version.

I hope that Accurascale will have some sound coders available so that you can upgrade