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1 minute ago, Galteemore said:

Yes I wondered that myself, but each of these catalogue listings says ‘photographic grey’ as the livery description.

 

Yes, interesting because as we all know, a silver livery for running purposes would only work for a well maintained top link service. A long time since I did British modeling so I might’ve forgotten the details.

7 minutes ago, Galteemore said:

Hornby, Heljan and Lilliput have all done it….

I’m not sure that any of those are in photographic gray. The silver coronation livery certainly is a running delivery. I’m not sure about the others. Photographic gray was intended for black and white photographic purposes where the overall scheme was gray, but particular items such as the wheels or particular items to be highlighted were picked out in white 

Very sorry to hear of his passing.
Sympathies to his family.

You will be missed by all.

RIP David

On 19/9/2025 at 6:30 AM, Mol_PMB said:

I think it is time to release the first draft into the community.

CIE_Carriage_Stock_Register_Draft1_19-09-2025.xlsx 215.89 kB · 24 downloads

I hope this is of use. Any comments, corrections or additional information would be most welcome.

 

Areas already identified for improvement, but awaiting more time and/or data, are as follows:

• Hyperlinks to connect the entries where vehicles have been rebuilt/renumbered
• More links or references to published photos of each carriage
• More information on inherited GNR carriages (weight, body, underframe, bogies and withdrawal dates)
• Review of consistency where vehicles have been reclassified without being renumbered
• More detail on the list of references

 

Paul

With the addition of some photos and editorial this has a little reference book written all over it, like the Doyle & Hirsch reference books, the earliest of which was in 1979 with limited reference only to stock existing before that time. 

1 hour ago, GSR 800 said:

Has Accurascale a bit of a collab going on perhaps?

Bit of tooling variation and … maybe a bit late for that. 

6 hours ago, DJ Dangerous said:

Wondering if one could do a Frankenstein between the Bachmann N and Rapido K?

The Bachmann N is on the RMW Mazak Rot / Zinc Pest list…

Mine seem to be good and they’re getting close to 2 decades I think. Repainting a newer one would have to be professionally done just to get the 6’ driving wheels and the are a few other minor differences which would persists in this if it’s true to British N class. Nonetheless possibly still an option for those who don’t have the Bachmann ones. Maybe someone will commission a few of these again in CIE/MGW or better again some niche 12 wheelers so I can make a boat train  

1 hour ago, BosKonay said:

Bear in mind those aren’t photos they are colour CAD renders . 

Miss those CADs like we had on the ballasts

I have the Bachmann originals, wonder how much better these would be if at all?

@WarbonnetIt would be helpful if you could prioritize shipping the Class 89s to the US.

I have not received a confirmation that mine have been shipped at all as yet?

Thanks,

K

Nice looking model! I do like that livery. Unfortunately no longer into British outline for a couple of decades now, and funds have to be apportioned somewhere, so Irish it is for now. Looks to be decent pricing seeing as everything has really hit the eBay prices everyone used to complain about. 

On 12/3/2025 at 4:58 PM, Westcorkrailway said:

 

Hoping for some centennial and papal nuncio boards/flags in the bag of bits

Can anyone confirm when the red nameplates were fitted to the 800s (other than Maedh) and earlier or later then the blue plates with FS?

Would the time line for liveries have been 800 GS, 802 light green, CIE DRK GREEN (FS), CIE DRK Green, Preserved ... and where for the red plates and which years?

I'm surprised that IRM doesn't include this information on the website give the amount of research it must have done on the models and liveries, and front views like the Hunslets since the differences were mainly in the smoke box area @BosKonay

I'm limiting to 4 only of the models due to events in the US and appreciate any insights into liveries/dates. TIA 

4 hours ago, Mayner said:

Though Ireland would have applied to become the 51st State or at least a US Overseas Territory by now avoid all this fuss with major US companies using Ireland and a tax haven and off-shoring  "American jobs" to Ireland. Afterall Mary Harney once said the Irish people felt closer to Boston than Hamburg (or was it Berlin) as a people and in terms of doing business. In a way Donald reminds me of Charlie Haughy in terms of personality.

Anyway wasn't his mother Mary Anne MacLeod born in a Scots-Gaelic speaking household in the Isle of Lewis in the Outer Hebrides from a Clann/family displaced by the Highland Clearances.

No doubt there is some Irish Ancestory on the mothers side  as the Gaels brought the Gaelic language, customs and Christianity to the Highlands during the early middle ages.

The mother’s side is not the problem 

ON the flip side of the coin, it seems I can no longer purchase models using the US dollar which seems to have disappeared from the drop down list of currencies on the website. However those of you in UAE and Liechtenstein are good to go..... 

Hopefully this was not in the anticipated raft of improvements on the website? @BosKonay 

1 hour ago, NorthWallDocker said:

Agree.  Just ordered a rake of four green coaches.  

Long done  

15 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

The things people got up to on trains in those days……….!

Actually, a heating van of SOME sort is an absolute must….

A Dutch and rebuilt Dutch might be worth a go!

I suppose the one superb 6 wheel double boilers is out of the question?

What's SYP ?

On 28/10/2024 at 7:39 AM, murphaph said:

How were the sound files created for these guys? Old recordings remastered? Class 20?

BUMP

On 1/11/2024 at 10:21 AM, BosKonay said:

Drop support a line as something sounds broken. 

So unfortunately not, Stephen. IRM is currently charging these rates to ROW. Those of you in ROW may not notice if you only order one or two locos but you certainly will for a larger order!

I have been looking an old waybill from one of my orders but they've been discarded. What would be the country of origin be for models due for delivery to US in 2025 (Ireland or China)?  @BosKonay

On 5/11/2024 at 11:11 AM, Mol_PMB said:

Inspired by a comment on the Bulleid wagons thread about alternative uses for the triangulated underframe, I thought I'd collate a bit of information on the CIE Palvan here.

This is a topic that has been considered before in various threads so firstly I should acknowledge and link them:

https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/3048-cie-palvan/

https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/9588-cie-palvan-dimensions/

https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/10509-palvans-in-ireland/

https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/8002-triangular-underframe/

There have also been some very nice models made by various forum members which appear on their own threads. I won't link all of them but feel free to add your own links/photos in this thread. In most cases these models are based on kits for the British Railways Palvan, which has some similarities and some differences from the CIE version.

One of the threads above was about dimensions, which didn't seem to reach a definite conclusion. Here is a drawing of the BR Palvan which the kits represent, from the Barrowmore MRG website: http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/BRBDocuments/BRFreight1Issue.pdf

Known dimensions for the CIE Palvan are wheelbase 10'0" and length over headstocks 16'11", quoted in 'Irish Railways Today' (Pender & Richards; 1967). So the wheelbase is the same as the BR version, but the CIE body is 7" shorter.

I haven't been able to find any equivalent diagrams/drawings for CIE wagons although I expect they exist somewhere. The nearest I could find was an H van, which does at least have the same basic triangulated chassis as the CIE Palvan:

Comparing widths and heights is a bit more difficult without a drawing of the Palvan.

However, looking at the H van underframe it's clear that the headstock width is similar to the BR Palvan (7'10" vs 7'9") but the buffer spacing is 6'3" compared to BR's 5'7.5".

The H van is 11'5" overall height compared to 11'7.75" on the BR Palvan (quite similar). However, in photos the CIE Palvan seems to be quite a lot taller than the H van. More on this in the subsequent posts when I get onto photos.

 

More to follow in the next post...

Great information . The dimensions you mention amount to no more 1-2mm in 4mm scale, so url;ees we see an rt the 2ft rule would certainly apply to BR based modifications

On 5/11/2024 at 11:22 AM, Mol_PMB said:

In one of the previous threads, there were some useful CIE Palvan dimensions quoted here:

These seem consistent with the chassis length over headstocks of 16'11", and width over headstocks of 7'10". Compared to the BR version, the interior dimensions are 3" shorter and 3" wider, again consistent with the slightly different proportions of the CIE van. The height of the top of the frame is the same on the CIE and BR Palvans.

The door width of 8'6" is very similar to the BR Palvan's 8'5". The CIE door opening height of 6'0.5" is rather less than the BR Palvan 6'5.5", but this difference may be accounted for by the CIE Palvan's sliding door runner taking up space at the top of the door (the BR vans had hinged doors).

There is still no information on the over-all height.

This photo from Brian Flannigan on Flickr shows the height difference between a CIE Palvan and H van. It's quite striking, as some modellers have noted:

The difference can also be seen (twice) in this photo by Jonathan Allen on Flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/152343870@N07/52883141960

I reckon the height difference comprises at least 3" in eaves height difference and at least another 3" from the grater arc of the roof. It could be more.

Palvan's were an interesting little wagon, a firm favorite of mine

On 1/11/2024 at 10:21 AM, BosKonay said:

Drop support a line as something sounds broken. 

Been waiting on a reply from Andrew regarding this and in the interim the cost has increased by $43 per loco or $335 added to my order. Something's broken alright. I have decided to cancel the potential purchase. Not impressed @Ironroad

On 1/11/2024 at 10:32 AM, DJ Dangerous said:

Don't fix it!

Make him pay!

Wu ha ha ha ha haaaaaa!

I think they have taken your comment to heart, Dave  Might go into Spanish locos like your 31.2 

I saw the title and thought Antonov what? I get it now. The cargo involved was the Ukrainian Antonov-124 so I see the name is a portmanteau of that and the GM 201 class locomotive

On 27/10/2024 at 12:45 PM, Patrick Davey said:

Love the Genesis coaches but they are noticeably smaller compared to more specific Irish stock, as can be seen in @Jarl’s bottom photo above.  Mixing them with other vehicles might not look right……

They will probably look good relative to the track

On 2/11/2024 at 5:43 AM, Sea Breezer said:

Installed 1 lighting kit there. Seems the capacitor is not charging, for whatever reason. I tried installing a DCC decoder, but still no capacitor function. Anybody experienced the same?

It should be getting power directly from the track. Try another coach to troubleshoot, whether it’s the pickup or the lighting kit.

8 hours ago, chris said:

where on earth are you getting them shipped to?

I'm in NZ and never had a shipping cost over 1/3 of that from IRM...

It doesn't usually even get calculated until ready to ship.

Shipping to US, metro area, not the backwoods or anything...., looks like the cost just keeps offing rising the more I order (but more locally you get free shipping for ordering more).

Same will happen with ICRs I suspect, so since that not my era its hard to expect us to support that IRM project at these rates over here 

Been considering which of these I wanted to get for the last several days and after finalized my list, I realized that shipping would be a whopping $157!! I checked my account and realized that I paid with $25 to ship 4 A class a couple of years ago, a 300% shipping increase for ROW. Who else has been hit with this increase in ROW and how much has it changed for you guys?

8 hours ago, NIRCLASS80 said:

I wonder has the initial sales been more encouraging after the ICR slight disappointment?

I had planned to get an ICR or two also but that just went on hold

Good man, Eamonn!~ Nicely done

2 hours ago, Rob said:

1: Blackrock - Gurranabraher.

2: Blackrock/Mahon/Beaumont - Churchfield/Knocknaheeny

3: Ballyphehane (via Turner's Cross) - Farranree / Summer Hill via Blackpool

 4: Ballyphehane (Friars Walk) - Farranree.

5. Model Farm Road - Blackpool.(Mallow Road)

*6: Donnybrook (206 went to Grange in 2000s so probably Rt.6) - (Northside- maybe Collins Barracks?) maybe South Mall (but maybe just a central stop before continuing 

7: Collins Barracks - Donnybrook via Douglas

*7A: Well Road (????)   - Montenotte.

8: Mayfield or Lotabeg - Bishopstown or Curraheen (longer),via Victoria's Cross,  also 8A Montenotte via Dillons Cross

9: Ballyvolane - Pouladuff.

10: Ballinlough - Glasheen Road.

11: Tivoli - Magazine Road.

14: Sundays Well - Togher possibly via CUH and The Lough

*15 Maybe Tower/Blarney or Cloghroe/Ovens, maybe Ringaskiddy

or *16: City Centre?- Mount Oval/Douglas/ Rochestown maybe via Glasheen/Maryborough Hill

You might have too map this out but some of the routes might be shortened at certain hours so inserted some additional/alternative route destinations ABOVE although i can't be certain there were during your specified time period