MOGUL

On 30/5/2022 at 12:03 PM, Fowler4f said:

Locking bars fitted to 40'.

Looks good but this advise is probably coming too late! It makes life a lot easier if you apply the decals before putting on the locking bars, saves a lot of tweezer work in confined spaces!

2 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said:

So many 45ft boxes and Dana's!

And a Murphy’s on wagon 2 for @Arran

10 hours ago, Rob said:

Yes- agree with @Sean & @DJ Dangerous-    would be a fan of the tanktainers allright and the DANA's in particular!

Just aswell there was a good selection in Heuston North earlier!

Tanktainers are a must for post 2000 IE liners, they make up about 40% of the weekly load on the liners and have plenty of variety including a few oddities.. Layout looks great, I would give that the IWT seal of approval for authenticity!

3 hours ago, MOGUL said:

Simple answer is no, the Samskip units on the XPO liner are 45ft Dry Boxes or 45ft Reefers, not curtain siders like the model..

DFDS did run curtain siders to/from Ballina one of the summers they had the liner running, think it was 2017(videos on youtube should show these).. This was for an export loads of recycled silage bale.. So the container type has moved on liners but not in Samskip livery. 

Anyone who doesn't like a yarn/ramble can tune out now!

I car share with a colleague(who formerly worked for XPO, but that's another story) who's main job is to move ~300 tonnes a week of coils from Europe to Waterford via Dublin and Waterford ports, about 50% of this is in Samskip curtainsiders like the oxford model.. He has a constant battle to get stock in, and when the weather gets bad in the winter, I’d swear his stress levels triple!

Was 2014, you can see the curtains flapping on the second train in this video.Also of note is the 45ft reefer in a CPW on this train…  The Norfolk line units on the first train also look like curtainside units, but watching on a phone so can’t be sure..

On 18/5/2022 at 11:10 PM, Rob said:

Don't think Samskip are ever seen here on the liners, or if they were, l never saw them?

Maybe @MOGUL might confirm?

Simple answer is no, the Samskip units on the XPO liner are 45ft Dry Boxes or 45ft Reefers, not curtain siders like the model..

DFDS did run curtain siders to/from Ballina one of the summers they had the liner running, think it was 2017(videos on youtube should show these).. This was for export loads of recycled silage wrap.. So the container type has moved on liners but not in Samskip livery. 

Anyone who doesn't like a yarn/ramble can tune out now!

I car share with a colleague(who formerly worked for XPO, but that's another story) who's main job is to move ~300 tonnes a week of coils from Europe to Waterford via Dublin and Waterford ports, about 50% of this is in Samskip curtainsiders like the oxford model.. He has a constant battle to get stock in, and when the weather gets bad in the winter, I’d swear his stress levels triple!

18 hours ago, Arran said:

HI All

 

Samskip were Geest the Banana people who patented the angled pillars at the non door end so you could fit the 45ft container in the maximum turning circle .

The Oxford offering is a TESCO 45ft curtain sided container at 8'6" high but ive never seen one in samskip livery .

 

Regards Arran

 

 

 

I think Samskip bought Geest, but also Seawheel(who's boxes have been discussed at length on her, Limerick to Waterford baby food) but Samkip are around a long time, they started with the Iceland/Nordics services and grew from there..

You would know better than me Arran, but are the Tesco units not 8'9" rather than 8'6, I remember reading that they were a lower height so they could be routed via the Settle and Carlisle when the WCML is closed..

For anyone looking for some containers suitable for 2020s railway ops, Dapol have another run of P&O 45fts that are in stock in Hattons.. We run 4-6 of these units to/from Ballina a week.. 

https://www.hattons.co.uk/526512/dapol_4f_028_015_pack_of_two_45_hi_cube_containers_p_o_ferry_/stockdetail

https://www.hattons.co.uk/526516/dapol_4f_028_016_pack_of_two_45_hi_cube_containers_p_o_ferry_weathered/stockdetail

They also have some of the old Style MOL(Mitsui) containers suitable for 80s/90s and some Maersk 40fts in stock for less than the cost of Hornby containers 

https://www.hattons.co.uk/351764/dapol_4f_028_103_pair_of_40_foot_containers_mitsui_lines_weathered/stockdetail

https://www.hattons.co.uk/220220/dapol_4f_028_100_pack_of_two_40_foot_containers_maersk_mrku_and_msku/stockdetail

4 hours ago, BosKonay said:

My own older next door neighbor has a marklin empire in his attic. Had no clue you could get Irish stock. 

My best friends neighbour is similar, has a substantial and very nice mainly Fleischmann layout in his attic.. Was very proud of his live steam, which he said was far ahead of anything Hornby were making when he bought it in the early 2000s.. 

Was quite impressed when I showed him my IRM bubbles though, again wasn't aware how far Irish modelling had come and is unlikely to make the change at this stage..

14 hours ago, Arran said:

The more unto date livery on the Malcolm's , mostly Grangemouth to Daventry / or Drift , some run to Aberdeen as well.

Regards Arran

 

You see them more than us Arran.. Dapol did that Argos box as a two pack with a co-op livery also, I bought a pack but again would be U.K. only.. Having said that I have seen Tesco less c02 containers in Dublin port, so models law applies! 

21 hours ago, popeye said:

I bought a pair of Dapol Malcolm Logistics 45s and was wondering if they were ever used here on Irish liner trains?

I would confidently say never, nice livery though.. U.K. to Scotland only 

The kegs and cages by IRM seem to be sold out but just the stacks of kegs are available  on accurascale

https://accurascale.ie/products/5-stacks-of-kegs-90-keg-version

2 hours ago, murphaph said:

Cheers John! At what point did containers start being transported on them?

I think some were converted for use on the Norfolk liner in the early 2000s.. IRRS journal  for June 2000 mentions 22 being allocated so would take this as a start date.. 

On 29/1/2022 at 5:52 PM, dave182 said:

PM sent

Guessing these are gone..

have a zim 20ft if not 

On 8/3/2022 at 5:27 PM, DJ Dangerous said:

I saw two lovely CMA CGM babies sitting outside Decathlon in La Laguna earlier...

Are these in a revised livery with Seaco and Seacell added?

They are slightly different to my C-Rail CMA CGM HC's.

Is this the guise in which they currently run in Ireland?

Maybe @ttc0169 or @MOGUL could confirm?

If so, do you have any plans for a run of them, @Arran?

 

 

As Arran said already, its a Pallet wide 40ft.. They are inter-EU and related area(North Africa, Canaries) only.. In my time in shipping they have only been associated with the Iberian market, OPDR(Canaries Specialists), McAndrews(Spain to Ireland/UK and NW Europe) and also containerships to/from the Baltic, all of those were bought by CMA CGM and merged into their Containerships European Short sea operations.. We used to have about 1 per week to/from Ballina until about 2018, however due to their limited usage for export lanes we stopped that and changed to using standard deep sea 40ft containers instead.. The OPDR Red ones were one of the better looking containers IMO http://www.matts-place.com/intermodal/part4/opdu4111478.jpg

In the mid 90s and early 2000s they would likely have been more common as they were the predecessors to the 45ft containers we use now.. I would imagine the containerships units *might* have travelled on liners as containerships seemed to ship into Waterford with BELL Lines, certainly I have seen containerships units(Orange and Green Livery) mixed in with Bells on liners, whether these were 4EG1 pallet wides or standard 40fts I don't know, I was 4 when BELL lines shut!

They aren't a millions miles different from the 4CG1 types also, those are also 40ft Pallet wides for the European Markets but seem to have different bottom rails and corrugations.. Seawheel being the most notable operator of that type in an Irish Railways context..

On 20/2/2022 at 1:35 PM, Arran said:

Only pic I could find too Arran.. have you seen one in the flesh yet?

23 minutes ago, johnfromoz said:

Thank you Mogul, that was interesting information  about the ONE reversed livery.  Am I right in my assertion that the 20’ magenta on white has never been seen on UK/Irish rails?  The 40’ reefer appears occasionally.  Might just respray the hornby 20’.

The colours are reversed so the 20ft livery is wrong.. A reefer has smooth sides like the image below.. 

ONE line is relatively new, it has only existed since 2017. I can't even find images of 20ft ONE reefers online, and have never handled a shipment using one.. So definitely there has never been a 20ft ONE line reefer on rail in this country..  40ft Reefer and 40ft Dry vans yes, we move 2-4 ONE 40ft dry boxes a week to/from Ballina.. https://www.linkedin.com/posts/anfaulkner_iwt-one-activity-6601039549139419137-v3US/

On 9/2/2022 at 10:15 AM, johnfromoz said:

Indeed.  This whole are of box liveries is overlooked most of the time, but is an absolute minefield and a recipe for time travel on your layout if  not researched even to a basic level given that we spend huge amounts of time and effort in ensuring accuracy of passenger stock and loco liveries.  For example the bauxite GENSTAR livery was so widespread and around for 30 yrs globally, yet was replaced around the turn of this century by SeaCo. Similarly, the original P&O appears to be long gone, (unless you count 45’ boxes) as has CAST and many others, Hornby currently sell the 20ft box in ONE livery of reversed Magenta and white, but I have yet to find evidence of its use in UK, Ireland and possibly elsewhere. The 40ft version can rarely be seen.  The enduring liveries of Maersk, Triton, Tex and Evergreen are safe bets for covering a near 40 yr span, albeit with some subtle updates and modernised design of the boxes themselves.

100%, I know it's not everyones cup of tea, but for a modern era layout having a train with the right containers on it is as important as having the right rolling stock.. They might not be as glamourous as a Pullman, clerestory or even a MK3 but that doesn't mean they arent interesting and it's a while subject in its own right.. 

The Hornby white ONE box is a dry box tooling masquerading as a 20ft reefer box(reefers are normally always white, OOCL excepted!).. So based on the wrong prototype to begin with but alright for non-rivet counters trying to fill out 7 or 8 bogies

On 13/2/2022 at 11:02 PM, murphaph said:

Any chance of the old lovely garish YM LINE 40' ones @Arran ? They were regulars on Irish trains in the 90s. Sometimes several in a train. The plain green Consent Leasing also a big gap I'd say. Boring enough container but very prototypical in a Bell Lines block train. Also be nice to see the 20' Bell reefers and tanks make a reappearance some time

Bachmann did a consent leasing using the 13.6m swap body tooling, but they are hard to get now as they were released about 15 years ago now..

https://www.hattons.co.uk/498596/bachmann_branchline_37_300a_po12_2_intermodal_bogie_wagons_with_2_45ft_containers_consent_leasing_pre_owned_wea/stockdetail

The consent boxes were around for a long time, from the early 1990s to the mid 2010s, we used to move them on the IWT until about 2017.. 

But for 45fts dapols tooling is the best so far, as Bachmanns is too low and not quite right for the later LEG1 boxes and is more like a 13.6m European swap body than a 45ft short sea box

23 hours ago, Rob said:

That is why we need you @Arran to make them, to get the container 100% right!!!!

They are regularly on the liner trains here-  have been for a decade at least, (probably longer) and transport bulk food commodities as far as l know.

Look forward to the next OO offerings!

(Picture below from 'quality-freight.com').

 

Around since about 2012 I think, will check tomorrow.. They carry powdered ingredients in a big bag inside the box.. Not all of them have the BLS livery, some are still marked as unit 20, the lessor https://unit45.com/en/products/unit45-specials/20ft-bulk-25/

And there are some with 6 roof hatches instead of 4, just for a tooling variation!

Also they are a bit unusual that they are 9ft high, so that WSI model is even 4in too short! It does mean that the Bachmann 20ft is a decent starting place to kit bash one, I made some progress on this a few years back before it went in the spares box.. 

They are regulars on rail in Ireland and mainland Europe, not so much in the U.K..

IWT also had a small fleet of 20ft bulk boxes for a few years, but they never got livery stickers and stayed in cronos livery.. Could be a nice what if model if someone was going to tool them though! 

Love the Saab deltas, seeing both the Draken and the Viggen at bray air shows was a definite favourite in our house! What’s the ordinance George, are they anti ship missiles or just finned drop tanks?

I have some stuff in my parents attic in Bray I’m looking to move on, mainly Hornby UK stuff and a good bit of skaledale .. Is there anyone who would be interested in buying off me at these shows? I haven’t been to one in about 4 years

Doing a bit of a clear out and have some books and magazines looking for a new home

The rise and fall of King Coal, railway magazine special in reasonable condition(front cover slightly torn/scuffed)          €8 + €3.5 P&P

Modelling Irish Railways , very good condition €5 + €3.5 P&P

Moving the goods: The container revolution, in very good condition, slightly worn €5 + €3.5 P&P+,

Railfreight in colour for the Modeller and Historian by David Cable, €7.5 + €3.5 P&P

Tracks of the City by Donal Murray, excellent condition, €7.5 & €3.5 P&P

Can take payment on paypal or revolut, based in D7

Greta pics, the second one seems to have le Grainne and le Deirdre in the background 

Now the star of a HAI video, was wondering how long it would take!

Found this while doing a bit of a sort out and wondering if anyone wants to take it off my hands for €10 + P&P(probably about €2.50, an Posts website is down right now)..