MOGUL

3 hours ago, derek said:

Okay, so while all of this seems great and promising, what I do not like the look of is the word "Probably" in relation to the Murphy Models 141/181 rerun. I understand it is beyond the power of the lads at IRM to do anything about it but it is a bit frustrating . Are the bloody things coming out or not? And before you all come on and tell me to be patient, please remember that I only have two Irish locos. (One I got from a man we all know).So I don't want Johnny Mc ten locos telling me to relax.  When I originally heard murmurings of a rerun of the 141s I emailed Paddy Murphy for a possible timeline and was given a possible date of Q2 2023. That was in 2022. That changed to Q1 2024, which was to be expected, but what is this with "probably this year?" And the silence from Murphys is deafening. I know it is a one man operation but don't make announcements if nothing is going to happen. Maybe I am getting excited for nothing . Could someone on here elaborate please or should I give up and look at getting some "previously loved" locos?. ? Ok, rant over Here's hoping..............

From where I’m sitting, they are fairly imminent…..

Not enough to have a file waiting on my desk for tomorrow morning like the MK2Ds, or a file in the pile like the IRM MK2s but they are in the pipeline 

On 1/1/2024 at 4:10 PM, BosKonay said:

In terms of delivery, 2024 is scheduled to see the following delivered to customers, in no particular order:

• ICR Sets
• Bulleid Range (Flats, opens, perhaps some more)
• NIR Mk2b packs
• IRM Mk2c Packs
• Park Royals
• Murphy Models Mk2ds
• [Probably] Murphy Models 141/181 rerun (minimal details on the timeline just yet)

Beyond that into 2025, 26, there are four Diesel Projects, Two steam, Three coach, four wagon / freight stock and some accessory projects 'actively' underway as well as some overlapping Accurascale ranges that will feature IRM elements, all of which will be revealed once they have reached an advanced point (around about when Engineering samples / prototypes (*EP's) are in hand during 2024. 

some overlapping Accurascale ranges that will feature IRM elements:

This one should get a speculation thread all on it's own..

Here's a stab to get the conversation going:

MK2Fs, continuing on the Mk2 theme, although Bachmann and Hornby have both done them already, could give you NIR 904 and the Gatwicks

MK3s, done by most UK rail manufacturers by now, maybe something more niche like the MK3 international train which ended up on Irish Rail.. Also, Mk3 EGV would be a unique tooling that could be handy as they survived the scrappers axe

Ammonia wagons, yep the IFI wagons had very similar UK cousins(same diagram or similar)

BR class 08,09 and derivates, applying the modular accurascale approach and allowing for CIE D class?

11 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

Now the debate starts; what colour will it be repainted?

(Runs for the door.....)

Keep it in blue but add an IWT logo and orange cheat line.. 15 years of IWT Dublin-Ballina this August and it will help her blend in 

54 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said:

Thanks, @MOGUL!

225 was out of action for almost a decade after hitting that tractor on the level crossing?

Was the damage that bad or was it more because there was a fatality involved?

So there are 12 of the 34 stored at the moment?

201

202

203

204

205

210

211

212

213

214

224 (Cracked frame)

230 (Fire damage)

Yes, it took most of a decade to repair 225.. 216 was similar, I think was out from 2010 to 2016.. But they obviously weren't being actively repaired for most of that time!

That list seems to cover it.. So 22 locos to cover Enterprise(3 locos on links, plus 1 standby at each end), Cork line(7 locos on links, plus a standby in Cork) plus whatever freight is assigned to them(normally just 1 of the 2 IWT links).. They do seem to be getting more use on PWD work recently however, including mixed 201/071 pairs top and tailing HOBS trains

35 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said:

What's the status of the 201 fleet these days?

There were ten (?) in storage according to earlier posts in this thread.

One of the in-service locos (224?) suffered a cracked frame, but also sure that one of the mothballed ones (230?) was brought back into service?

Stored as of October 2018 according to @Railer's photo and @ttc0169's photo:

201

202

203

205

210

212

214

Wikipedia also lists the following as being stored:

204

211

213

Basically the non-push-pull-equipped locos, 201 - 205 and 210-214.

Wikipedia also states that 230 has been in storage since July 2017:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IE_201_Class

 

No sign of 230 coming back yet, she's in fairly bad condition.. I think the plan might have been to use her as the guinea pig for re-engineering/new power pack but that has obviously been cancelled/put on the back burner.. All of 201-205, and 210-214 are stored..

225 was stored for a good while after colliding with a tractor in 2010, it was back in service late in 2019(nice pic with all those lovely PINK one boxes)

http://briansolomon.com/trackingthelight/irish-rail-225-back-on-the-roll/

However, shortly after the fleet gained 225, they lost 224 to the frame cracks. But with the BGH not coming back after COVID, they were up a loco(216) anyway..

11 hours ago, DJ Dangerous said:

Fair enough...

So, if we don't have 45' IWT containers in 1/76 with decent print, this year, it's all @MOGUL's fault!

I never said this year, haven't even talked to the man with the factory yet!

Thought you didn't want my craypola boxes anyway even if I put in all that effort!

39 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said:

 

This, this right here is the first negative point I've ever come across for not having Whatsapp.

Damn you, @MOGUL, for crushing my hopes and dreams right at the start of the year, damn you all to Hell!

Sorry I should have specified that it’s a work group and a lot of the pics are very boring and mundane..

Im not that into containers that I’m in some WhatsApp super group where people post the boxes they see, not sure if such a thing exists.. 

but there’s always matts place

https://www.matts-place.com/intermodal/part1/sea_containers1.htm

21 hours ago, BosKonay said:

We have tooled the CIE 20’ containers and also the weed spray 20’ so some irm 20’, 40’ and 45’ tainers and tankers are not out of the realms of probability.

Also 20ft open tops(Cawoods) and 20ft Gypsum boxes( which are similar to the boxes being used for the clean up of Roche in Ennis)..

And all the unusual nuke 20fts

How did you find special hobby George?

I have an ms 406 in the stash that seems pretty basic but like the look of their fouga in Austrian markings( 4 of them ended up with our air corps, the other two being the embargoed aircraft destined for Katanga ironically)

3 minutes ago, BosKonay said:

We have tooled the CIE 20’ containers and also the weed spray 20’ so some irm 20’, 40’ and 45’ tainers and tankers are not out of the realms of probability.

If they outcome of my suggestion is nudging you guys towards moving project 47 up the schedule by a few places I’m happy! As I have told Patrick before I can supply as much research material as is needed, I have a WhatsApp group with over 1200 media files attached to it, mostly pictures of containers!

13 hours ago, DJ Dangerous said:

Once they weren't Dapol nor handmade Adverts.ie jobs, I'd take truckloads of them. Get it?

Here’s the pickle, Dapol are the only ones with a 45ft tooling and the cost to tool up for one or two runs of twin packs would be prohibitive, especially as them being OO gauge means they are unlikely to sell in Europe..

So it’s Dapols best printing or nothing really.. 

Thinking about it more, two twins pack could work

1) Basic blue Cronos livery(with horse and 45ft corner sticker), plus a unit 45 box or a brown Cronos unit(this would allow you to re use some artwork) these would be more general appeal so suitable to the UK market also to get volume up but still very suitable for Ireland.. 

Brown Cronos, common to DFDS, IWT and XPO liners:

http://www.matts-place.com/intermodal/part4/crtu0600880.jpg

Unit 45, ditto

http://www.matts-place.com/intermodal/part4/unit45_leg1s.jpg

2) IWT Twin pack, one with Orange Band and one without.. 

Good to see some interest in our containers! We have 35 CXSU(Cronos) boxes and another 17(was 18 but a certain infamous bridge in the midlands changed that) IWTU boxes which are former CLDN unit that have been debranded and renumbered(more pics to follow when I’m at the PC).. 

That video brings back good memories, some of my finest work getting the train to be mostly IWT containers and van den Bosch smiley tanks, which coincidentally Hornby are releasing with their KFA wagon in the new year..

Raises the question(which I have put on back burner for a few years), if a twin pack of IWT containers in the two main liveries ( with and without orange bands) was to be made, would there be many takers? 

6 hours ago, DJ Dangerous said:

Merry Christmas, @MOGUL, let’s see you ID this one!

 

It looks like the scene of a possible mass grave to be honest! Either that or you buried the carcass of a gigantic Christmas turkey!) 

We aren't half asking for much, only 3 new toolings in 4 posts!

My contribution:

DANA tank, a 2000-current classic, and it can use Arran's existing tank tooling(tank on the right).. Although the tank on the left seems to make up most of the DANA fleet used to/from Cork

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/5739804618/in/album-72157626638886303/

Murphy Transport 20ft tanks, nice one for the XPO liner and a sound bunch of lads:

OOCL, Hanjin or Yang Ming 40ft 8.6/standard boxes, for 90s early 2000s liners.. The older Livery YM box is particularly good for Limerick Liners

And some CIE ones

20ft Whiskey tank

And finally(not asking for much), some more 40fts reefers, main a plain white leasing co(triton or seacastle), CMA CGM(IWT liners) and Hapag Lloyd(Cork Liners and IWT liners)

Spotted this pic of the CIE creosoting plant in the parting shot by Norman Johnston, it was taken in 1970 so predates the PWD flats but does show a similar wagon (likely a predecessor) awaiting loading with a fresh load of hot stick stick pine.. I would imagine the PWD flats were regularly loaded here @Warbonnet, sleeper loads on the cards?
 

Also of note is the extra broad gauge track for the overhead crane

9 hours ago, Thomas Nolan said:

Still exists on site as of this month

There’s one or two in yards in Stoneybatter also, given the high property values in that area they are likely on borrowed time

2 hours ago, Ironroad said:

In  a partial answer to my own question,  I came across the following picture taken from a U Tube video. In the top right corner there is an open corrugated wagon with a British Rail BD container sitting in it.  But were these containers also carried on the LB flats, did CIE own any of these? and other than British Leyland were any other private owner BD containers carried. Oh and before anyone says it, while the video is titled The Wheels of Commerce 1961, the frame I'm referring to is obviously a much later date.

 

One of the IRRS journals had a feature on the Waterford-Rosslare line with pics of BD containers in open wagons.. I have also seen pics of some BD wagons with a label saying they were carrying car parts for BMC, likely for assembly of knock down kits.. I have yet to find pics of BD containers on flat wagons, only later ISO type 20fts on 20ft skeletal flats.. Maybe it was felt they couldn't be sufficiently secured on a flat wagon(no twistlocks/Corner castings)..

Will try find that article when I have a chance..

CIE did have later aluminium non-ISO containers, again I have seen pics but don't have them handy right now.. Not sure if they had BD/timber bodied ones, the GNR(I) certainly did as modelled by @leslie10646

15 hours ago, Mayner said:

Apart from movements from the Factory to Cork Goods, Cars are likely to have been moved as individual wagon loads or small cuts of wagons in mixed goods trains rather than moving cars in train loads.  

Wagons in loose coupled goods trains were usually marshalled in station order to simplify shunting en-route.  A goods leaving Cork for Dublin would have wagons for Mallow (1st Stop) and the Kerry Road marshalled next to the loco, followed by wagons for Charleville 2nd stop and so-forth.

Up to the 80s there were assembly plants for the major marques in the Republic Dublin had Leyland/BMC (Austin, Morris, Wolsley) General Motors, VW, Toyota and Nissan, and Wexford had a Renault plant.  So potential car, light commerical and farm machinery on goods trains from Dublin and Wexford.

Its likely new car traffic ceased by the early 70s remember seeing double deck car transporters with "Blue Dragon" branding during the late 60s

The BMC/Austin 1800 in the photo of LB23318 is likely to have started its journey on a mixed goods train out of Kingsbridge Goods

Looking at Locomotives and Rolling Stock of CIE and NIR the LB flat wagons are not listed in the 1979 edition, while the PW Flats (1973-4 H van conversions) are classed as Ballast Wagons

The 1987 edition indicates that the 1973-4) PW Flats and some GSWR Dropside Ballast Wagons were still on the books but whether they were actually in use is open to question.  I saw several PW Flats (cut down H Vans)waiting scrapping at Mullingar in 1993, CIE tended to redundant 20T Vac braked Flat wagons dating from the mid-1960s for P.W use from the late 70s (Hiab, Sleeper, spoil skips). Nice photo of a 20T Vac Brake flat loaded with sleepers a Lansdown Road (possibly DART works) in the 79 & 87 editions of L&RS of CIE & NIR

remember seeing double deck car transporters with "Blue Dragon" branding during the late 60s

Intriguing, tell us more please or even better pics of them!

45 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said:

 

I hate you so much.

Maybe I could sacrifice a few of my Mk2D's as a trade for your 8113!

A few coaches or a few rakes?

8113 going to look great with my IRM mk2s(last year’s Christmas bonus)

35 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said:

 

8113 is what I'm praying for. Hatton's don't distinguish between the 071's / 111's. They had one the other day, possibly 078, DCC fitted, for around £382 GBP. Sounds a lot but already DCC fitted, and it's way cheaper than the eBay gougers, so gives me hope.

I got 8113 DCC fitted on Hattons a few months back, find of the year! and a GSR sentinel with DCC last week..

but missed todays MK2Ds as I was stuck in the usual Friday Dublin traffic, feel destined new to have any of the original mk2 run

On 25/10/2023 at 8:47 AM, DJ Dangerous said:

Oh man, you have me craving a Coolmore chocolate cake!

 

 

20ft or 45ft reefer load this time? 

My recommendation is this also

https://www.oxforddiecast.co.uk/products/bedford-j1-ambulance-dundalk-fire-service-76bed007

Can be got east enough for under €10

7 hours ago, DJ Dangerous said:

21st of August up around Chio, what looks like a grounded "Linea Messina" box.

Never heard of Linea Messina before.

Looks like NOWU-0128898 is the registration number.

NOWU is Norwood Shipping in Valencia, who we last came across on July 18th, on another grounded box.

Norwood look to have been absorbed by, taken over by, or morphed into, Tymsa, also Valencia based.

 

 

Linea messina was taken over by Italia I think, who were in turn take over by evergreen..

On another note, Boluda have launched a Santander to Dublin service this week, so we might see some of your weird boxes up this way

On 17/10/2023 at 11:26 AM, Patrick Davey said:

Wondering does anyone have one of these chaps:

https://www.hattons.co.uk/67952/base_toys_ie01_leyland_comet_flatbed_c_i_e/stockdetail

Would like to get one!

Cheers.

Don’t have one of those but I think I might have a spare CIE scamell Scarab in the stash

3 hours ago, hydey said:

yes please

can u post 

regards

brian

Hi Brian,

Can do, send me a PM with your address

Regards

Andrew