Irish models and availability

[Mayner]

12 hours ago, Jb1911 said:

Was there many bogie wagons used in Ireland? I know a few, more specifically was there any used on the MGWR, other then the Bretland of course. I’ve read there were single bolster timber wagons aswell. Was wondering if anyone had more information on these? 
 

Cheers

There is a General Arrangement drawing of a 10 Ton "Timber Bolster Truck" in the Compendium of MGWR Non Passenger Coaching Stock and Goods Vehicle Drawings which is available from the Irish Railway Record Society. 

The 10Ton Timber Bolster Truck is a short 13'8" -8' wheelbase wooden underframe flat wagon which is visually similar to the Single Bolster Wagons in the Peco/Parkside originally PC575 Permanent Way Wagons kit.

The kit is good conversion material for Irish Wagons all wagons are supplied with single lever (similar to that used by the Irish companies) in addition to the gear used in mainland UK, the low ballast wagons look similar to those used by the GSWR.

The underframe kit (2 sets) is available separately and a good start for scratchbuilt wagons and source of spare "Irish" Brake gear.

Peco/Parkside also produce a pair of  ex LNWR "Loco/Traffic Coal Wagons from the same source which look reasonably close to older (pre-1917) GSWR/GNR, but not MGWR coal wagons!

I built both the PW and Coal Wagons, I will post some photos when/if I can find them.

[LSK181]

Hi seagoebox,

 

I am compiling a list of (oown) Irish railway stations for me to visit and their histories.  I am trying to determine when various lines serving them were singled.  At present I am looking at MGWR lines to Galway and Sligo, but I will also be looking at all lines that are still ecxtant.  I have been caculating the mileage oo double track singled each year from 1927 to 1930, based on the stats in the GSR annual reports. From these, on the Galway line  over 5 miles were singled in 1927, over 12 miles in 1928 and over 33 miles in 1929, coming to a total of 51 miles and 9 chains.  The latter suggests that this was the esection from Clonsilla.  However, the distance from Clonsilla to Ballinasloe was 84 miles and 40 chains, so this does not compute.

There was a big row in the Senate in 1928 involving Senator Walter Nugent, who just happened to be Chairman of the GSR, about the singling, which specifically mentioned Balliasloe, suggesting to me that work started there in advance of 1928.  Up to now i had read that lines were singled in 1931, while other sources suggested that it was in May 1929.  This was a major project as it involved singling over 50 miles of track and installing Whitaker ETS equipment and automatic tablet catchers on the Galway line alone to enable trains to travel trhough block posts at 60 mph.  A 3 year period, 1927-1930 ,a) soudns a more reasonable timescale for this level of work and b) that is when the mileage was reduced.  Hiwever as some double track was left in situ as sidings, the actual mileage cannot simply be calculated based on the distances between stations. 

 

I have the map showing the lines singled by December 1930 from the Railway Gazette and your diagrams.  Do the Railway Gazette articles or diagrms give dates when the various sections were singled?   Where would I be able to find these issues of the Railway Gazette so I could read these articles?

 

Thanks in advance,

Liam

[BSGSV]

Singling on the MGWR started on the Navan branch during WW1 (to get rails). On the main line it went west to east, then the Mayo and Sligo "branches". It carried on in the 1930's.

There was also GSR singling Limerick - Limerick Junction, Waterford - Fiddown, Sallins - Naas, Newcastle - Wicklow and probably a couple of others I've forgotten, mostly before the MGWR was done, so that probably accounts for the GSR records you were looking at.

The IRRS archive in Dublin holds GSR weekly circulars which include the dates of singling of individual sections.

[seagoebox]

Liam..

The Railway Gazette quotes the following dates...

The section between Dunboyne and Drumree 8.5 miles was lifted in 1918 and Inny Junction to Longford 15 miles in 1924. The remaining 3.5 miles between Clonsilla and Dunboyne was lifted by 27th July 1926.

The next to go was Galway to Oranmore, 5 miles by 21st September 1926.

Next was Athenry to Attymon, 6 miles by 15th March 1927

( the GSWR singled 23.5 miles between Cherryville Junction and Carlow in 1919, the DSER singled 5 miles between Newcastle and Wicklow by 31st July 1927, and the Cork Blackrock & Passage singled 7 miles from Albert Quay to Blackrock by 12th December 1927, making a total of 73.5 miles by September 1928).

Ballinasloe to Athlone completed by 2nd November 1928, Athlone to Mullingar by 26th May 1929, Mullingar to Enfield by 17th March 1930,  Enfield to Clonsilla by 10th August 1030.

18.5 miles between Athlone and Roscommon was singled by November 1930 and 1.5 miles between Ballysodare and Carrignagat also Collooney Jcn and Collooney were singled in the summer of 1930.

 

Look in the Record Society at Heuston for The Railway Gazette, issues dated 5, 12  and 19th December 1930.

 

There is an article in the IRRS Journal number 144 February 2001 pages 17-28, Author Oliver Doyle quotes slightly different dates to the Railway Gazette though! ( IRRS Journal no 3 also has coverage)

 

Michael.

[Ironroad]

On 4/7/2025 at 12:23 AM, LSK181 said:

Hi seagoebox,

 

I am compiling a list of (oown) Irish railway stations for me to visit and their histories.  I am trying to determine when various lines serving them were singled.  At present I am looking at MGWR lines to Galway and Sligo, but I will also be looking at all lines that are still ecxtant.  I have been caculating the mileage oo double track singled each year from 1927 to 1930, based on the stats in the GSR annual reports. From these, on the Galway line  over 5 miles were singled in 1927, over 12 miles in 1928 and over 33 miles in 1929, coming to a total of 51 miles and 9 chains.  The latter suggests that this was the esection from Clonsilla.  However, the distance from Clonsilla to Ballinasloe was 84 miles and 40 chains, so this does not compute.

There was a big row in the Senate in 1928 involving Senator Walter Nugent, who just happened to be Chairman of the GSR, about the singling, which specifically mentioned Balliasloe, suggesting to me that work started there in advance of 1928.  Up to now i had read that lines were singled in 1931, while other sources suggested that it was in May 1929.  This was a major project as it involved singling over 50 miles of track and installing Whitaker ETS equipment and automatic tablet catchers on the Galway line alone to enable trains to travel trhough block posts at 60 mph.  A 3 year period, 1927-1930 ,a) soudns a more reasonable timescale for this level of work and b) that is when the mileage was reduced.  Hiwever as some double track was left in situ as sidings, the actual mileage cannot simply be calculated based on the distances between stations. 

 

I have the map showing the lines singled by December 1930 from the Railway Gazette and your diagrams.  Do the Railway Gazette articles or diagrms give dates when the various sections were singled?   Where would I be able to find these issues of the Railway Gazette so I could read these articles?

 

Thanks in advance,

Liam

Being intrigued, I searched for the Senate debate you refer to and for anyone interested here is a link; 

 https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/seanad/1928-10-23/7/