Schull and Skibbereen locomotive green shade

[Colin R]

Hi all

I just got this from a friend can any one help him out?

Colin 

 

 

 

Dear all,

Happy New Year.

A friend, David Hurst (Model Engine Works), has produced a 3D print of the original S&S tram loco (in 4mm scale) as rebuilt in 1906.

He would like to complete the model in the shade of green that was used at the time. What might that shade have been? Boyd just says 'green'. Might there be further info in the Oakwood Press book (I do not have a copy).

I have found a photo of a model od a S&S loco on the internet that is in a mid-green finish but this of course could just be an educated guess by its builder.

I doubt that there is a definitive answer at this stage (unless there is more info in the Oakwood book) as so many years have elapsed. Probably a case of choose the shade of green you like maybe?

Best wishes,
Paul

[minister_for_hardship]

If it's not in the Boyd book, I doubt you'll get a definitive answer, short of deep digging in the IRRS library, and even then that info may not have survived. I have the book and can check but like other similar books I say just a colour mentioned in passing.

Most loco greens of that period were darkish, tending towards olive green. A default green that the makers slapped on rather than railway officials going through colour cards for their preferred shade.

[Mayner]

SS No 4 Erin.   Don't know how accurate the actual shade of green.

Reasonably accurate dimensionally acquired second hand from a modeler in the UK about 10 years ago

 

 

 

 

[jhb171achill]

This is one which has no definitive surviving information, as I understand. However, I have a note somewhere which has it as a “dark grass green”. 

As well as J I C Boyd, Cyril Fry and the late Montgomery of Bray were highly knowledgeable livery experts. James Boyd specialised, as one might expect, with narrow gauge, though he was highly observant also on matters NCC, BCDR, GNR & GSR. It’s so long since I spoke to Boyd & Montgomery (fifty years or so) that I can’t recall who told me the details I have on Cork narrow gauge, and both they and Fry, jhbSenior and jhbSeniorsenior are all pushing the weeds up now…..  

I’ll take a few pics of Fry’s narrow gauge liveries next time I’m in the museum (which will possibly be this afternoon!).

[Westcorkrailway]

10 hours ago, Colin R said:

Hi all

I just got this from a friend can any one help him out?

Colin 

 

 

 

Dear all,

Happy New Year.

A friend, David Hurst (Model Engine Works), has produced a 3D print of the original S&S tram loco (in 4mm scale) as rebuilt in 1906.

He would like to complete the model in the shade of green that was used at the time. What might that shade have been? Boyd just says 'green'. Might there be further info in the Oakwood Press book (I do not have a copy).

I have found a photo of a model od a S&S loco on the internet that is in a mid-green finish but this of course could just be an educated guess by its builder.

I doubt that there is a definitive answer at this stage (unless there is more info in the Oakwood book) as so many years have elapsed. Probably a case of choose the shade of green you like maybe?

Best wishes,
Paul

There is an article in the July 61’ IRRS journal, and there is one one one of the “mechanno” magazines 

 

them trams were supposed to be far to underpowered for the work they were intended to do 

[minister_for_hardship]

They would have been fine on a level-ish street tramway as near identical designs worked successfully elsewhere, but the course of the S&SLR was more like a roller coaster. 

[Westcorkrailway]

Some of the other locomotives seem to have been in lined green livery but I’m not actually sure about no.3 herself 

I wonder if this is any bit like em 

[jhb171achill]

That’s the very Fry one I was going to take a pic of. 
 

It’s possibly close enough to Muskerry green.

[minister_for_hardship]

Boyd refers to the tram engine livery as simply "green" in the book, with no mention of shade or lining.

[Colin R]

Hi Guys.

I have a big thank you from David the person who asked me to ask you lot, like so much of this, it will no doubt, also bring out more questions, which I am sure he will ask me to ask you again.

As for the exact shade of Green that may be impossible to give a final answer to, since each batch was made up to order and you had different pigments then.

Thanks you once again.

Colin     

[jhb171achill]

15 hours ago, Colin R said:

Hi Guys.

I have a big thank you from David the person who asked me to ask you lot, like so much of this, it will no doubt, also bring out more questions, which I am sure he will ask me to ask you again.

As for the exact shade of Green that may be impossible to give a final answer to, since each batch was made up to order and you had different pigments then.

Thanks you once again.

Colin     

The only thing it’s reasonable to assume is that it would be a darker shade rather than a lighter one, given the layers of varnish they put over it.