Early Black and Tan Livery (late 1961, early 1962)

[lucas]

19 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said:

I’m very interested in the 1950s green liveries too, but haven’t found so much useful on those in the archives. However I did find a couple of references to the 1955 livery as ‘brilliant green’ which I note is also a name used in the same old colour standards, and looks similar. 

Indeed looks promising for (I assume) lighter green. Of course I'm far too young to remember the shade, but looking at photos it's not a bad match.

At this rate we'll know all the shades before long

Edited 14 hours ago by lucas
Elaborating

[jhb171achill]

2 hours ago, lucas said:

Indeed looks promising for (I assume) lighter green. Of course I'm far too young to remember the shade, but looking at photos it's not a bad match.

At this rate we'll know all the shades before long

Possibly the light on a computer screen but to be honest that doesn't real;ly look quite right. It's not far off, though.

[lucas]

Ok, I know we're getting very off-topic for a thread that's meant to be about Black and Tan. This is my last post about it, I swear.

 

2 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

Possibly the light on a computer screen but to be honest that doesn't real;ly look quite right. It's not far off, though.

Any of these look better? Seems like almost every website I came across has a similar but slightly different representation of what should be the same colour. On-screen colours are additive while pigments are subtractive so none will be completely accurate.

Unless someone gets their hands on some physical colour samples it would be impossible to tell for sure. Then CIÉ's paint supplier may not have matched the intended colour with 100% accuracy either.

Of course BS 221 may not actually be correct either, CIÉ did use their own names for the brown and tan livery. So who knows.

 

In doing a little more late-night internet sleuthing I found the question about the dark green livery had already been answered a couple years ago:

On 1/3/2018 at 12:10 AM, jhb171achill said:

I have been put in touch with a gentleman named Derek Farrelly, who some of you may know.

Derek has very kindly given me the reference numbers for the authentic green used by CIE on buses and road lorries 1945-62, on such steam locos as were green, and on coaching stock until 1955.

The references are:

Dark green (body colour) -  BS 381C 226

Light green ("eau-de-nil" for lining) -  BS 381C 216

 

Edited 10 hours ago by lucas
Reformatted

[Mol_PMB]

I will in due course start a new thread on the green liveries. I’ve been researching the topic for a while, and I still need to digest all the stuff I found in the archives before writing the thread. 
The reference to Brilliant Green is in the spring 1954 journal, and given communication and publication times it probably refers to events in late 1953. Therefore the Brilliant Green may be one of the ‘experimental’ 1953 liveries, rather than what became the standard light green around 1955. 
 

This is an agreed standard for the 1955/6 light green:

I have a lot of work still to do to cross-reference the documentary sources and photos. Please bear with me!

Edited 5 hours ago by Mol_PMB
Added light green ref

[Horsetan]

7 hours ago, lucas said:

.... This is my last post about it, I swear....:

For now, anyway 

[Westcorkrailway]

3 hours ago, Mol_PMB said:

I will in due course start a new thread on the green liveries. I’ve been researching the topic for a while, and I still need to digest all the stuff I found in the archives before writing the thread. 
The reference to Brilliant Green is in the spring 1954 journal, and given communication and publication times it probably refers to events in late 1953. Therefore the Brilliant Green may be one of the ‘experimental’ 1953 liveries, rather than what became the standard light green around 1955. 
 

This is an agreed standard for the 1955/6 light green:

I have a lot of work still to do to cross-reference the documentary sources and photos. Please bear with me!

Many years of headache finally being sorted watching you do this research….

 

At this stage you could do a documentary with those documentary resources!