Brake Standards 1904-1908

[Mayner]

I am looking at introducing as set of side overlays for these coaches. Introduced in 1953 different in outline to the Laminate Brake standards 1909-1913 o 1958 at least two were converted to driving trailers for use on the Dublin-Galway/Westport Cu-na-Mara service later used as Loughrea & Ballina Branch coaches.

 

Has anyone a photograph or drawing which show the guards/luggage compartment of these coaches?

[Mol_PMB]

Back to 1907, there are several IRRS photos of this with RPSI 184 in 1970, including these:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53570456911

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53569599852

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53570654018

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53511309423

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53511309418

What these show is that 1907 had been converted to a driving trailer in the same way as 1906 (cab, headlights, commonwealth bogies etc), but by 1970 it had lost its headlights and therefore was no longer functional as a driving trailer. Other internal control equipment may have been stripped out too, but we can't see that in the photos. That would tally with the entry in the coaching stock register for 1969 which shows only 1906 (not 1907) wired for use with the diesel railcars.

[Galteemore]

42 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said:

Back to 1907, there are several IRRS photos of this with RPSI 184 in 1970, including these:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53570456911

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53569599852

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53570654018

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53511309423

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53511309418

What these show is that 1907 had been converted to a driving trailer in the same way as 1906 (cab, headlights, commonwealth bogies etc), but by 1970 it had lost its headlights and therefore was no longer functional as a driving trailer. Other internal control equipment may have been stripped out too, but we can't see that in the photos. That would tally with the entry in the coaching stock register for 1969 which shows only 1906 (not 1907) wired for use with the diesel railcars.

Poor old 184 was very short of breath by this stage. It’s a remarkable event though - probably the last standard gauge  steaming in company service (CIE still owned 184) in these islands. 1907 has a strong case for being the last steam hauled passenger carriage! 

Edited Tuesday at 18:20 by Galteemore

[Mol_PMB]

6 minutes ago, Galteemore said:

Poor old 184 was very short of breath by this stage. It’s a remarkable event though - probably the last standard gauge  steaming in company service (CIE still owned 184) in these islands. 1907 has a strong case for being the last steam hauled passenger carriage! 

At least 184 is still with us. 1907 was smashed to smithereens in 1974. 

[flange lubricator]

Another one of the Brake standard

 

[Mol_PMB]

A couple of snippets about the two driving trailers 1906 and 1907, fro 'The Cork, Bandon and South Coast Railway' volume 3 (Creedon).

On page 70, 'On March 29th [1957], a C.I.E. control trailer arrived by the City Railway at Albert Quay for re-painting at Rocksavage. These units had been used for some time coupled to a single railcar on the Westport section of the "Cu na Mara" express.'

On page 80, 'Around mid-August [1957], another control trailer entered Rocksavage Carriage Works for re-painting.'

This photo taken at Cork in July 1957 shows one of the pair around this time:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/54253223013/

 

[Mol_PMB]

On close inspection, this photo from Ernie shows either 1906 or 1907, formed in the middle of a railcar set.

Also a nice example of 'tail traffic'. There's almost a pun to be found there.

 

On the wider topic of carriages through-wired as railcar trailers, I think I have found two different clerestory coaches, both catering cars: 343 (8-wheel) and 353 (12-wheel). I am preparing an illustrated diatribe on CIE railcar trailers.