Ex-BR NIR Coaches

[Jawfin]

Hello all

 

Does anyone happen to know why NIR purchased coaches 752 and 753 from BR, along with so many other MK IIs in the '80s? In addition, is anyone aware of when the two DVTs were built?

[jhb171achill]

To replace original 1970 "Enterprise" stock and add to the fleet.

[DiveController]

MK IIs in the '80s, is anyone aware of when the two DVTs were built?

If I understand your question, 812 and 813 were 66 ft 31-seat Driving Brake Open Standards built originally by BREL in 1969 as Mk2Bs and converted to air-braked push-pull fitted by NIR but I am not sure when the conversion occurred …. which may have been your actual enquiry. Not sure if that helps

[Jawfin]

Thanks very much, both. Sorry, I wasn't very clear, I meant the building dates of 752 and 753 - but that info is very useful as well

 

Were members of the original enterprise MK II fleet scrapped after the new ones were purchased? Were they in bad need of replacement or what?

[jhb171achill]

They needed a few extras to rotate stock. Original 1970 sets were of five coaches (with one loco) or six (topped and tailed). Later traffic required more.

[DiveController]

I meant the building dates of 752 and 753 - but that info is very useful as well

 

752 was a 66 ft 75-seat Driving Trailer Open Standard built originally by BREL (Litchurch Lane Works, Derby) in 1969/70 as Mk2c on B4 bogies and originally BR TSO 5516

 

753 was a 66 ft 62-seat Driving Trailer Open Standard built originally by BREL in 1969/1970 as Mk2c (BR TSO 5498)

[josefstadt]

Hello all

 

Does anyone happen to know why NIR purchased coaches 752 and 753 from BR, along with so many other MK IIs in the '80s? In addition, is anyone aware of when the two DVTs were built?

 

These were 80 Class driving trailers, not Enterprise stock. DiveController has detailed their building dates. As to the 'why' part of your query - they were bought to replace 741 and 748 which were damaged during the troubles.

[Blaine]

As outlined above and also NIR expanded the fleet when they bought 111,112 and 113. They needed an extra set of coaches

Edited October 30, 2015 by Blaine
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[DiveController]

These were 80 Class driving trailers, they were bought to replace 741 and 748 which were damaged during the troubles.

741 and 748 were withdrawn due to fire and bomb damage, but were built by BREL in 1974. That being the case, presumably 1974/5 would be the earliest that the DTSOs would have come into service with NIR after 5-6 years in service with BR

Ref Irish Railways Traction & Travel, Peter Jones, 1st Ed. 1987

 

111 and 112 went to traffic in Feb 1981, 113 in 1984

Edited October 31, 2015 by DiveController

[Jawfin]

Thanks very much all

[josefstadt]

741 and 748 were withdrawn due to fire and bomb damage, but were built by BREL in 1974. That being the case, presumably 1974/5 would be the earliest that the DTSOs would have come into service with NIR after 5-6 years in service with BR

Ref Irish Railways Traction & Travel, Peter Jones, 1st Ed. 1987

 

111 and 112 went to traffic in Feb 1981, 113 in 1984

 

DTSOs 741 and 748 were part of the second batch of 80-class railcar sets, ordered by NIR in 1975 and put into service 1977/78. They were built new for NIR by BREL and did not see service with BR. 741 was introduced in Jan 1978 and was withdrawn following a fire bombing at Finaghy in Sept 1979. No 748 was introduced in May 1978 and was withdrawn following a fire at Crumlin in May 1979.

[airfixfan]

752 converted 4/82 and 753 converted by 5/84 and in early 2000 752 was sent to Glasgow works as one of the 80 class fleet sent for life extension work due to severe corrosion issues.

[jhb171achill]

Severe corrosion ..... a Mk 2 body shell ..... Never! :-)