Colin R Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 (edited) Hi Guys Following this up with the new Cale 0-6-0 from Rails of Sheffield, I came across these coach kits:- https://caley.com/grampian.php I was wondering if they could be made in to the GSWR Express coaches? What do you think? Colin Rainsbury Edited December 6, 2020 by Colin R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 They're not at all unlike them side-on, indeed! i hadn't seen these - are they new? Not all of the Rosslare set were twelve- wheeled, though. Might get one of these myself.... is there any way of seeing a made-up model anywhere? A side view is one thing, but the side profile is another. I suspect, though, from my limited knowledge of pre-1925 Scottish coaches, that these might be OK though. The GSWR's 861 & 863 survived well into CIE days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSGSV Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 The CR ones don't appear to have clerestories, but the GSWR ones did have, didn't they? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin R Posted December 7, 2020 Author Share Posted December 7, 2020 4 hours ago, BSGSV said: The CR ones don't appear to have clerestories, but the GSWR ones did have, didn't they? Would add to the fun of the kit bash I think. Colin 13 hours ago, jhb171achill said: They're not at all unlike them side-on, indeed! i hadn't seen these - are they new? Not all of the Rosslare set were twelve- wheeled, though. Might get one of these myself.... is there any way of seeing a made-up model anywhere? A side view is one thing, but the side profile is another. I suspect, though, from my limited knowledge of pre-1925 Scottish coaches, that these might be OK though. The GSWR's 861 & 863 survived well into CIE days. Hi here is a bit more infomation about them https://caley.com/assets/pdfs/Grampian.pdf I will see if I can find some photos of the kits for you. Colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Yes, the GSWR ones had clerestories, so the kits would need these added. If you were modelling 1950s, no need for the actual windows in these - they were just canvassed and painted over, as was 861 when I first set eyes on it at Whitehead in the late 70s.............. These kits have a good GSWR "look" about them, but window spacings and numbers of doors aren't exactly right. So, for the "two-foot rule" these kits are fine in a coat of CIE green, but for strict accuracy no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin R Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 Hi Guys the man whos kits they are has said if we can give him any drawings of the sides and other details he is willing to look at doing some etch sides for us, that is if we want him to? Drawings anyone? Colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 10 hours ago, Colin R said: Hi Guys the man whos kits they are has said if we can give him any drawings of the sides and other details he is willing to look at doing some etch sides for us, that is if we want him to? Drawings anyone? I have outline drawings, but I will be unable to access them until mid January (probably well within "time enough", anyway). The thing most needed is a GSWR bogie - ideally a composite but other variations too. They were to be seen on branch lines and main lines well into the 1960s, many lasting well within the "black'n'tan" era. In fact, for a grey 121 or many of the forthcoming livery variations for the IRM "A" class locos, at least SOME wooden stock in a train is almost as obligatory as the (VERY obligatory) "tin van". If he's prepared to do that, a Midland 6-wheeler will also be right for other "early diesels", especially a "C" class. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin R Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) If anyone has drawings of any rolling stock they want it done as a set of basic brass etch parts then Worsley works can do that for you. Edited December 8, 2020 by Colin R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 29 minutes ago, Colin R said: If anyone has drawings of any rolling stock they want it done as a set of basic brass etch parts then Worsley works can do that for you. I had actually contacted them recently, and will send them some stuff once I can get my archive stuff unpacked again. I've been in the middle of a house move of late (Dublin city to Malahide) and most of my stuff is still stored. My top two (of very many, in theory) would be a Midland 6-wheel third, the staple of many 1950s excursions on CIE, and a GSWR bogie compo - staple of same PLUS main lines, as late as 1974 on Dublin locals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airfixfan Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 There is also the book produced in the early 1970s by Transport Research Associates of G&SWR Coach Diagrams. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin R Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 10 hours ago, airfixfan said: There is also the book produced in the early 1970s by Transport Research Associates of G&SWR Coach Diagrams. Hi Yes I have heard about that one and I think it has a number of excellent drawings which are suitable for kits Colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airfixfan Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 It is a very comprehensive and scarce book. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin R Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) I recall there is somewhere on here a thread about this book and as it turned out, it is not as usefull as we had hoped, it is good for the basic dimensions but that is about it. In the new year I will purchase a copy of the IRRS CD of coach drawings, what exactly is on the CD i don't know but I am told there are a lot of drawings which I will find to be useful. Colin R Edited December 12, 2020 by Colin R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 40 minutes ago, Colin R said: I recall there is somewhere on here a thread about this book and as it turned out, it is not as usefull as we had hoped, it is good for the basic dimensions but that is about it. In the new year I will purchase a copy of the IRRS CD of coach drawings, what exactly is on the CD i don't know but I am told there are a lot of drawings which I will find to be useful. Colin R That CD contains the very information in the book I mentioned. It was largely done (and in highly painstaking and accurate detail) by IRRS member Richard McLachlan. It is a fantastic resource, especially for a carriage nerd like me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Yes, we owe Richard a huge debt. Thanks to him (and a few like-minded souls like the late Anthony McDonald) some precious resources are available. I have the MGWR NPCS book, plus the SLNC wagons one and the wonderful GA set for the Sir Henry class. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Indeed - Anthony, yes (RIP). A great guy, always very exceptionally helpful and knowledgable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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