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was reading Noels ''Did many 4 wheel timber wagons run in Ireland? the video is great if you had 30 wagons in a rake, and 10 were to be loaded with say timber, which wagons would be loaded the loco end, the break end? the middle? i suppose i am asking on prototype and in model rail, does the different weight of carriages and wagons make a difference depending on where they are placed https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-amazing-facts-about-the-Indian-Railways EIR 22 and green, must be O'rish

with the bockety never level all over he place BNM tracks, getting 0+4+0 model engines to run over them could be difficult, mind you some of my track laying is very like its BNM inspired, and thats OO guage Mapio.net mapio.nethelpfulengineer.com photo c/o www.deviantart.com

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i think the lens is damaged, if i get a chance ill photo with another camera

Ja know when ye get new job and some tells to look for long stand, it's begin to feel like that

Noel, thanks for the photos, so some like to make models, others to operate, some to recreate prototypes, the first lima shot makes me think i should collect 1950 lima coaches, they run so well , i luv em, i use my 3 for testing tracks, but i starting to rthink i shouldn't as they are so 1950s, if your ever selling please consider me.. you Irish modellers are amazing, the effort you put into helping others on this site, i have read hundreds of usa, uk web pages, not once did anyone mention, as a saw on a post on IRM, that the wee turnout clips abridge rails on points can corrode or get dirty..,, yous go to the trouble of hosting pictures, crawling the attics for archives, supporting other modellers. thanks for all this info.. uploading photos is a slow process around here, rural broadband, = on all the time windup copper line, will do, uploading photos is wowfully slow, but when i next in office, it be faster

heres lima the photos

I need assistance choosing what occupancy detectors, servo switch motors and related systems to use, Q1. should i gap both rails, per block = 4 sets of double gaps, per section in the ''stop, slow stop' long track sections, so much conflicting info online, my head is a mess, it would really suit me to gap both rails, and not just one side...i laid 100 plus metres of track n designed the layout in winter over two years, totally stuck now, even after running trains big long trains... Q2. if i do gap both sides of the track do the current sensors go on the incoming positive + side wire or the return negative (dare i mention 'common') to me 'common' is so divisive i know only refer to 'common' it as something that i can walk and play and relax in, in London. q3. Location detection - whether a train is located at a specific point on the layout. Proximity detection - whether a train is located at or near a point on the layout. which work best, ??? i mean which is easy peasy to install, run, maintain and dont need the brains of the 'team who priced the childrens hospital,' esp to send proper commands to turnout motors via the accessory bus, which systems actually suffer from proximity to main power bus? i know light effects light sensors, but does current effect the hardware attached to the light sensors as most hardware needs to be in close proximity, this is so confusing, LDR, PT and IR pairs, hall sensors, proximity sensors, Rfid if you had a choice which one to go for???? which to totally avoid. personally I think rice size rfid are fab, but they are reported not to work well if 12 inches near a bus wire..

Eoin,, will do at weekend when i have decent camera in attic

Noel, i havn't a clue bout them, but i do plan to use some, n rodding to manual turnouts, so i will keep an eye out here for progress

thanks all... i will try Eoins suggestion for the murphy models, its is the Murphy and not the lima you describe, ?? thanks garfield thanks all...

i think its a craven, or at least that whats it looks like, says lima underneath, gray roof, black n tan sides no white stripe, i will get photo for you this weekend..

i understand from marksmodels, they cant get replacement bogies for damaged clip pins( or what ever they are called,,)on MURPHY MODELS BOGIES, is there an alternative,, ??? some bogies online seem to have the wee tab like pins on the top of the shaft, like the ones that clips into the murphys carriage base, but me's thinks there shorter bogies and also not same height. https://www.petersspares.com/hornby-x9723-maunsell-coach-bogie-pk1-with-wheels.ir or https://www.petersspares.com/hornby-s9926-gresley-coach-bogie-frame.ir theres other too...any ideas?? other than using bolt n nuts..which will be my last resort we also have a damaged lima model...need bogies for that too. yes we have two children under 12 who play with the trains and managed to floor a 071 at full speed, but it was the adults, their friends and a nasty online seller who are at fault with the bogies. does this come off? it does but now it wont go back on...

Inspiring, thanks for sharing, i chuckle that your a 'junior member' you could be called warb'ilangelo, or maybe warb deVinchi, Often when i look at pic's and vid's of modellers work across the globe, i think' what chance have i in creating something so amazing. As i struggle on, five steps back, a few forward, i sorta get disillusioned. After a while more research, i plod on... Having read this entire tread with great photos, esp' the wide angle shots of your amazing layout I have been totally inspired by whats possible. Thank you, from this newbee, and I am sure I say thanks from all Irish modellers for raising the standards so high.

Two more pic, after first attempt at ballast in with washed sand, fire ash, a scatter of ballast n tiny weed seeds from dust in the combine harvester. It's my first attempts,, never done any of this before. Southwest corner. In such confined space, I have to work from outside walls back into middle . My plan is to rough ballast everything on outside mainlines, as it's hard to get back into those spaces.......

Hi, Welcome to RailYard, my first venture into model rail, maybe better described as fantasy 'off the rail' modelling by one who never soldered, can just about wire a plug and who knows as much about Irish rail as could fit in the head of one of those wee men standing at model stations. I started in 2016 with no modelling experience, I first saw Murphy Models Locos when santa was getting the kids a boxed train set, in an instant I was 'captured' by the detail of the models, remembering back to my school days in the 70's onboard many trains in south Dublin. At xmas we set up the new boxed set and the dog knocked the 0-6-0 train over on the carpet/floor track plan, we moved the set onto the table, where my one Murphy Model loco at high speed took flight in full glorious sound. TO VIEW THIS LAYOUT PLAN - PLEASE DOUBLE CLICK TO OPEN AND THEN USE ZOOM FACILITY This track plan needs a a few adjustments to exactly match that which is now laid out, -it almost represents everything in the right order, So to the internet I went. To research and discover the world of model rail and simply got more confused, but enjoyed the videos.. Determined to figure it out for myself I started on the steep learning curve, with the aim of building a family centered model rail, and slower trains, have learnt the basics and we have managed to run 6 trains at once since then. My advice to newbees, wait until batterer y operated DCC arrives, then invest.. As a warning to other beginners, I will make it my mission to discuss the internets' bad advice about many aspects of modelling as i progress, if I progress?, Topics such as Bus wiring or the absence of online posts about 'over the base board' feeder wiring?, or the bad online info about insulfrogs versus electrofrogs, or designing model rail for children or track occupancy which is where I am at now in the layout, (2019) . I dont think ye modellers will like what I am doing judging by the comments I see about IRM blogs, but then again I keep seeing the words “its your own layout do what you will”. I do...and I will. For instance, I use sand in places instead of cork board or track underlay, thats a topic I will explore in later uploads. I am building a system to run trains, we went against all good advice and decide to lay more track and have far less scenery, because running trains around and around is easy, we dont want children decoupling models and breaking rakes, climbing over scenery, and anyway 95% of all the prototype track near us is in open countryside so much of my modelling will be mainly greenery bar stations and some features such as old cottages and engine sheds, the kids want a rocket launcher. The layout so far, is about 150m of double crossed looped track and a few end to end routes within, a few engine sheds, all in a small attic. of which 100m is A line up and B line Down. I have spent two years research and have only mid winter to build. and even then time is limited, The layout just fits 3 x 8x4 boards (added on to make 9x5's) with an extra few meter runs both sides in holes in walls into more small side attics -adding a few more meters in hard to get to spaces, 2 levels are built, 3rd is planned (with code 100, a wee bit of code 75 and electrofrogs on the adult section of track), a mid level reverse loop is also planned The already constructed section is mostly peco-100 OO guage track, A star shape bus wire, 2.5 and 1.5 twisted bus, most is divided into power div' block wiring with two-rail isolated gaps, 7 metres = longest Bus runs including track, . far too many insulfrogs (many will be DCC contrled, others manual) , part of level 2 and most of level 3 will be electrofrog - mainly for the most expensive locos and best wagons, for the adults, as those sections will be at my height, when ever, that is I can get to build those sections. Unusually.. i think, but for good reason, 80% of layout is wired above baseboard, as the base is 50cm from floor, due to low angled attic ceilings and the many children who will use the layout.. i kept it low to their height. Electricity DCC and Power, while I understand 'booster divs and' 'power divisions' and the difference circuit breakers add to blocks, i am getting bogged down in track occupancy during winter 2019, i have been advised to go to RM web. I am in touch with James in DCCtrainautomation, I would dearly like to meet up with Irish modellers who are doing detection and occupancy. As I say I have kids and designed it so there are manual turnouts, mainly close to the front edge so they could learn how they work, and how to operate them. see the track plan for the groups of turnouts placed close together, this allows me to isolate many of the other turnouts within separate power division groups ready to attach all the circuit breakers. We had a hornby select, to start, but now that we have run trains and more, we have moved to Z21 and have great fun with it, got to run six trains at once, round and around for ages with two children, no crashes or derailments. but there are crashes.. lucky its with the LImas. Design Advice: Get paper before software and sketch it all out, sure it will change, but paper is far quicker, i used about 20 plans before i got a plan that worked for us, then i laid it out with track, to check the trains running, In the early designs a loco would go all around, but then end up not in the right direction if it went a certain way, it took months to figure how to introduce a reverse loop track to solve the problem. Above , west side, note the very tight space under the ceiling slope, the green insulated foil backed foam is sound barrier , made job very easy and disappears after ballasting , i have since reduced the three inner rising tracks to one rising track, a reverse loop below, the ballast is just finished and still wet above, PVA on sand covered with ballast, with plastic to protect the tracks, this is what I call the base board ballast, laid out for finishing some time in the future. After it dries, some more ballast is added for effect, black is coal dust, red for bauxite, below shows lower and upper level with coaches, base below is old shot before upper level was finished, but taken on tab with better camera.. below...shows rising track into hidden attic, .