jhb171achill

Lost in the mists, Roger, but I’ll try to dig it up! Dark green was, in any event, a common manufacturers colour for industrials. Some fifty years ago, during a refurb at Whitehead, traces of green were found under the blue of the Guinness engine…..

"...............the western rail corridor was actually limerick to ballina/colooney while claremorris to coloony was most the most famous “Burma road”........." Not quite. The "western rail corridor" is a long post-railway construct - the term was never heard of until maybe a decade after the line closed! Definitely not a "railway" name - though, as mentioned above, "Burma Road" was used for the section of it north of Claremorris. The MGWR referred to the Galway route as the "main line"; no surprises there - but they referred to the Sligo line as the "Principal Line". (Good title for a book)... The "Kerry Road" is certainly in use a long time, probably since the 1960s when passenger services were withdrawn between Tralee & Limerick. But prior to that, the Limerick route from Tralee was the "North Kerry", while the Mallow line was the "South Kerry". Similarly, after 1906, the Waterford - New Ross - Macmine Junction line was the "North Wexford" while the Waterford - Wellington Bridge - Rosslare Strand line was the "South Wexford". The Kenmare & Valentia lines didn't come under this "title". On the NCC, we also had the "Derry Central" - Antrim - Magherafelt - Kilrea - Macfin. And on the GNR, to locals the Fintona branch was known by the thing that a horse dragged along it - "The Tram".

Static. Much as Irish railway preservation is expanding modern image and further back into history, I'd be pretty well 100% certain that a DART is not going to end up at Whitehead, Downpatrick or Cultra. It's about time the government funded something like the NRM in brexitsan; maybe recently retired Darts, 26 class railcars and 071s would be suitable initial targets for such a thing. Stick them under the roof at Westland Row by digging out one of the old bay platforms.

I remember that "biscuity brown" livery well - reminds me of mis-spent teen times......! (I think i am the solitary person on the planet who actually liked that livery). One of those yokes with the number "10 Belfield" would bring back a lot of memories for me..... Mind you, I remember seeing a GNR crest on a Dublin city bus too, and flying snails.............!

A fantastic and highly informative thread. I'll be looking for a couple of these things laden with turf on my own layout. Little details like these carts really make a scene in a rural area, like a little grey Fordson tractor (who remembers them?) or a 1960s Massey 135............. plus the inevitable Morris Traveller (I have one of those as well). Talking of "travellers", and without starting ma predictable conversation, a common childhood memory was of driving on holiday to the west and seeing the old horse-drawn vans they lived in alongside country roads, along with the above carts or a batterd old Commer van. Tarpaulins aganist hedges for the men to sleep under, and washing all over the hedge. I wonder is there any sort of horse drawn vehicle which could be made to look like one of those - I had considered having a traveller encampment near Castletown West station once I get around to the scenic part of it!

The WTT was (is) the employee's timetable. As well as public passenger trains, it provides details of ALL train movements, be they goods, light engine or empty stock. In addition, paths are shown for trains which can or might run, but do not do so regularly. At the start of this thread I posted a few examples for West Cork. If you wish, I can post you copies I have, or you're welcom to call with me by arrangement any time you're up Dublin way. I have a full set, as far as the former CBSCR is concerned, from 1926 until closure, with just a couple in the 1950s missing - tho9ugh - the particular missing ones would tell you nothing that the years either side of them didn't. Ping me privately if interested.

If you mean whether a 1927 WTT looks like a CIE one, while it’s a different page size & design, the origin of the CIE ones up to pretty much the 1970s goes back to the GSWR in the 1870s! The GSR copied that, and in turn copied it after 1945. I’ve never actually seen a CBSCR WTT.

I can lend you a 1927 or 1926 one.

My thoughts exactly - ye beat me to it! Is that the Londonstan Untergrund?

Indeed; the "M" one appeared to be a major problem - posted some pig-ignorant drivel on here back in the day.

Shows up the dark grey livery well; you can make out the dark red of the buffer beam, which always appeared darker grey in a black'n'white photo.

Before jhb171Senior completely remodelled the track plan and signalling in the late 1950s!

Yes, they have. If you discount the odd pigeon special, there was a clerestorey-roofed coach which went walkabout in 1959. It was seen at Loughrea and on the Wisht Caark main line. It was customary in railcar days that on one day a week (or month; can't remember); (I think a Tuesday or a Wednesday) instead of the railcar making two return trips, it did one and a steam train did the other. This led to a Bandon tank or a GSWR 2.4.2T taking the midday train down to Bantry and going back to Cork later, while the railcar did the forst up and last down train. It was on one of these occasions that this GNR relic - in brown livery - was to be seen along with (I presume) a GSWR bogie as well. On the DSER, being served from Amiens St., ex-GNR stock of all sorts was moch more common, with GNR railcars as well as CIE ones, and GNR coaches either in navy & cream, brown, CIE green or black'n'tan. Blue 4.4.0s were also often to be seen on Dun Laoghaire pier shuttles.

Superb job as always! Amazing weathering on the spoil wagon too….

Well into the 1960s it was still possible to see wagons with “G N” markings on them, though with a small stencilled “CIE” or “UT” somewhere on the sides or ends. Here, on a summer day in 1965, two GNR goods vans can be seen in the morning goods returning from Dugort Harbour.

Could have been, Roger, I'd say so. Lined dark green was a common generic type of livery for industrials at that time. Probably future repaits were just plain colour without lining.

Angelic? Leslie10646? What on earth are ye smoking, Mr D!

Those varied bits of weeds give it all a most realistic look.

Love to see that "Jeep" in progress! I remember watching them daily on ballast trains............ black roof for the CIE coach the final touch?

That whole train is a beauty! And WELL deserved win as "best engine".

They repainted a very few full vans as they knew they’d be using them a bit longer. And yes, it just so happened that all of these were GSWR in origin, even though there still the odd Midlland one about. Since they knew that all passenger carrying 6-wheelers were for the chop, not one of those was ever black’n’tan even for a short time. Many wooden-bodied bogies of all types became BnT. Mostly GSWR & GNR, but a handful of MGWR.

Correct, you beat me to it! Another was painted in very early 1963. So, 18, 69, 1077 and possibly 79 ended up BnT. All ex-GSWR, all full brakes.

The only six-wheelers to enter the black’n’tan livery were about half a dozen full vans which survived the final cull of all remaining passenger-carrying 6-wheelers in 1963. Two are known to have ended up black’n’tan. One or two more MIGHT have. The other one or two ended their lives still green, but within the black’n’tan era.

Couldn’t agree more, and idiotic, disgracefully badly researched narratives even thrive in supposed railway preservation circles. Personally - drives me mad. So there’s little hope for “community schemes”, with extremely well-meant, but crassly and embarrassingly wrong “plaques”!

He told me that he dry-brushed a light grey colour over them after painting the rails brown.