Junctionmad

Indeed. Of course Whitfield polo school is gone since the Major passed away a few years back. I wonder how the current Lord Waterford , gets them up to dub these days. , big trucks or what. It's like 6 ponies a man type of stuff. Haven't seen a game for a few years now. Very interesting sport to watch. I remember one of the platelayers telling me they were loaded at kilmeadan, ( for Whitfield ponies ) which would have been close enough to ride to. ( though I think the school was only started in the late 60s) The great thing about Ireland , unlike the UK , and despite the highty tighy here , is that horse based sports were partaken by the common man in Ireland. Polo like hunting were actually mostly fraternised by well to do farmers who were into horse sports. So I suspect the carriage of horses by rail was not the preserve of the gentry in Ireland.

The horses are much too clever for water polo, a long time along they chucked their riders in the water an left in discust. The riders seemed to be still in the water years later

I'm still laughing at that suggestion, sure co-co bo-bo , sure tis all the same

What specifics were different between Dolomite and ballast hoppers. Every time I saw them , they looked basically identical , in fact I travelled on one that carried dolomite to Ballinacourty and picked up ballast at Carrols cross on the way back !

I remember my farther mentioning the polo ponies used go up to Dublin on the train

You forget the biggest advantage , if the gauge had happened, wed be building models and reminiscing about the rail ferries and how " one could get on at Kingsbridge and off at Paddington begob"

Now if we could get " adavoyle" out into the public eye .... !!!

yes I was referring to the push pull ( the 121s being Mk3, ) it was just a brain fart so the aec railcars I saw in waterford in the mid to early seventies would have been black and tan, I remember my surprise as a kid, seeing these " carriages with engines " , I wasn't impressed ( an opinion that remains to this day )

looks like a ww3 " start " button cover to me, you could have it marked " self destruct" on a control panel!!!!

That's my idea of a goods train. So I could buy one or two and sandwich them between other loose coupled wagons and the essential brake van behind a black and tan 141 or C class B&T livery. I presume since they were " fitted" freight , they ran next to the engine , rather then dispersed throughout the train ?

I presume these railcars never made it to super train livery ? leaving aside the 121 engined versions Dave

if you can build electronics kits, the cheapest DDC controller and throttle is from merg, you have to join of course. see merg.org.uk The whole thing is under 100 euros. I have a unit and its great, but of course you have to be able to build it, so it may not be an option

Dangerous things , them tele-phooone lines

Actually with the exception of a few items like I mention , I can chart the evolution of the station from 1950 to 2000, including signal changes , track changes. Building mods ( even the watertower was modified ! ) It's one of the better documented stations n the system It's detail now, like the roof of the men's loo , the station main doors in the 70s etc that I'm down to And the goods shed of course I find it fascinating , but it's a crying shame we have so little records pre 50s of railways in Ireland , especially nfrastructure Damm locomotives get in the way all the time I see this to this day , endless photos of 141s , usually from a distance with little detsil. Yet no record of disappearing buildings, signals , modifications to structures etc. It's a real loss.

Anyone have any ideas re this ?

Just an update , I know now that the goods shed was re-roofed post 1964, and with the loss of the chimney , this was added a couple of years later to the outside goods office attached to the goods shed, which itself had been added before the roof was changed I think the roof was changed ( why I dont know) and then later in the seventies to enable the goods shed to be used as a keg store, and I think , the main door and valance was added to facilitate mechanical handling of the kegs, ( and presumably ) the other doors were blocked up as a security issue. I havent got a good picture of the north end of the shed, but there is evidence of a different form of valance there in the 60-70 period. all very interesting

thanks , I lost the ebay bid war he had, the book headed north of 50 euros inc postage

Thanks, still looking for CIE one in the transitional period 1970-80

still on the look out for this rule book, the one on email went for crazy money thanks dave

Hi oh knowledgable ones.. Two questions, anyone know when these doors were sealed up ?, IN all the historical pictures I have , I havent one of this side of the goods shed! Also how did unloading through these doors work, they dont seem to be spaced in any meaningful way, was each wagon seperately positioned beside each door ? , any similar photos from other locations that explains it ? Also I presume the inside originally had a raised floor and hence a form of loading bay at the door Heres the goods platform end , note clearly the larger door ope,, but there is no corresponding door to the right of that , as is seemed to suggest in the photo below heres the inside Interesting the evidence of the door to the left of the fireplace, has absolutely no evidence on the outer wall. whereas the window is clearly there, I wonder how that was done ???, note the " rails " above the doors and to the side wall , ??? amy ideas Note the vertical rails or steel embedded in the end wall to the left of the door, anyone any ideas ( another door ????, and there is a form of lintel above these, yet there is again NO evidence in the external stone work ( see photo 2 above ) There was clear evidence of a internal office, with a fireplace, but I suspect that was before the late fifties remodelling of the station , as there is evidence that the external office was increased in size ( edit: actually post 1964 and pre 1972) There is also evidence that the door onto the outside goods platform was much larger which would make sense I was also wondering if the internal platform extended all the way across the internal shed, and would they have been a inset loading bay at the main door It always amused me as to where the door was position as the siding effectively blocked the entrance of the shed, I wonder was the large door and canopy added in the fifties rework as the concrete surrounds on it look much later then the original shed construction , perhaps the only door was the original in the other wall onto the goods platform The internals are full of wall lintels , showing the history of the shed, I even suspect it was re-roofed as they is evidence that the areas under the gutters was infilled ( and the roof is corrugated , since the reconstruction I below, unlikely to be original ) all ideas and references to other sheds welcome claremorris is a difficult station to pin down as it : suffered" almost continuous modifications from the 50s onwards . but Ill take some modellers license, in building the structures and try and represent them in working order irrespective of period Heres a close up of the goods shed pre-1950s mods, the chimney for the internal office is clear as is the larger door in the gable and the roof is clearly different , its hard to determine whats to the right of the door ( corresponding to the lintels inside) note that there is a form of small canopy but its not over the door underneath and its hard to determine what is in the photo there ( is that a crane ?) copyright O'Dea collection thanks for any help dave All photos with permission of IE and or private owners

Under the Berne convention you are granted copyright by the mere fact of publishing it. No need to actually make a copyright statement at all

thanks I knew it well Kilmac, as I was born , not a stones throw from there , used to get the old spin on the dolomites from there

Intersting , was it built by the same railway company , I know the line from there to Waterford was one if not the last lines to be built in the country

you cant beat " corporate " justifications , first decide on the required outcome, then build a cost justification that supports same You have to love wages justifications , as if you suddenly fired all the other wasted salaries when you acquired nice shiny new railcars. which of course didn't happen Id love to see the 22K justifications !!!!!

No "proper" signals = not real railway !! good to see these thing being documented , but a plea from someone that build them as model structures, try and get some detail shots of thing alike gutters, valances, window frames, its these in the future that make it really useful for modellers, theres too many , long distance shots etc in general taken by people and of course not to mention the inevitable loco in the picture ( which thank god isn't here, mainly cause there no locos left !!)