Junctionmad

Can someone run through the functions of all the connectors and pipe work on the front of that loco , there seems to be more then usual

The prototype of course has two sleepers close together at fishplate joins, rather then equal spacing. So if your modelling bullhead 60 ft rail-panels, then there are sets of closely spaced sleepers around the layout ! It should also be pointed out that typical point work timbering was both heavier ( wider) and more closely spaced then plain trackwork But maybe I'm rivet counting !!!! good trackwork isn't about life and death, it's much more important then that

Lovely. Hope the passangers standing in those corridor connections are holding on

They got quite the royal treatment. Nothing like engineering professional courtesy !

I presume you play the female trick of telling her you got it in a sale. ! Only 50 euros honey !!!

I confirmed a few things this morning, the sequence of clearing signals is home, starter then distant . Not as I expected in reverse. This is some times enforced by sequential locking , dont know if that was used in Ireland in relation to Disc 31, and the platform starter , a correspondence on signal box.org, suggested that the main running signal would be used in preference to the disc, where such running signal was normally given. Since the run round required the loco to cross from platform 1 onto the main line, it would then be appropriate to use the main signal rather then the disk. The disc would then be used for applications where the running signal was not appropriate , such as to shunt in to the head shunt.

Let's just summarise Neither 31 or 52 have any info on the pull plate , as you say claremorris was unusual in that . The disk ( originally 31, then 52) is in effect , just a shunt ahead permission, discs in them selves are not route indicators , so any of the three possible routes could be indicated by the disc. Prior to its removal , I suspect it's was used instead of the running signal for runarounds The other interesting thing is why crossover 27 wasn't disc signalled , especially on the no. 2 platform road. , equally why was disc 38 added, ( ie post odea ) was this to signal runarounds from platform 2 ! I thing I now partially agree with you , that with the presence of track circuits , the platform starter could be pulled off if a train was standing before it. But could not be pulled off , if that immediate section before it wasnt occupied It's an area of railway modelling that's so much overlooked , how to operate our models like the prototype

I succumbed - sigh, SWMBO can eat next month instead

indeed the disc is gone, as I said however disc signals are just signals , so disc on the starter, while it can be used, for the headhunt etc. isn't specific to that . it just a signal ( with a proceed with caution idea ) . I dont think the use of main running signals is based purely on "rolling stock stabled on the track the loco is entering running signals would be inappropriate" for example one presumes the point that was the 56 crossover, the loco was signalled to return down the loop by the use of the main dolly on the junction signal ( 61) your logic is certainly powerful , I shall have a think and consult the rules , I was always under the impression, that main running stop signals could not be pulled of in reverse order, i.e. except under as it was called in the UK reg 39A ( a form of calling on ) . Perhaps it was possible using the track circuit,. i.e. once the train was in the circuit at the station ( circuit 10) the platform starter could be pulled off. Edited: Yes on reading further it seems that it is the function of track circuits to allow that signal to be pulled off, without the advanced starter being cleared ( and as you say does allow trains to be pulled forward , in long layouts particularly The pull plate on 31, says nothing , most of the pull plates in the claremorris box, had little info. ( the lever frame is still in the box when I visited )

indeed, all would be true, if I ever stepped inside churches , is a broad church rather like a broad gauge !

interstingly no freight stock as far as I can see. I wonder why not

The main reason I was asking , is whats the point of such vast amounts of stock. I mean it will never for on any layout, and so collectors ( I apologise as I dont understand that mentality ) just want large volume of stuff as opposed to " one of everything "

Is also clear that if you follow the run around video , you can see at the western end , the normal rules apply, not only does he get two shunt signals, even the calling on arm is correctly used to allow him to pass the signal above at danger and approach the rear of the train. thats text book stuff.

hmm, my understanding, based on UK rail signalling documents from the 60s and accepted practice there, Is that stop signals cannot be selectively used. the route must be clear. This was why calling on arms were used elsewhere. IN other words a stop signal couldn't be cleared, unless all signals ahead on the route were also cleared. The locking would prevent the platform starter from being cleared if the advanced starter wasn't cleared. The only exception in UK practice is regulation 39A , where a train is brought to a stop and then the signal is cleared. ( this was typically track circuit locked ) The basis being that there is no way to warn the driver that the advanced is at danger SHunt signals merely were signals, not necessary route related. I would have said the shunt signal should have been used ( and probably was) to control run-arounds, i.e. " The disc was to control access to the siding (56 crossover normal, 57 traps reversed).", while that disc could be used in such situations, the signal merely tells the driver he can proceed, past the shunt signal in a shunt movement , it offers no route information I dont follow your commentary re Athlone trains clearing Platform1. The whole basis of absolute block, is that a train cannot be accepted in that way. ( unless controlled by calling on signals). perhaps you might explain. Again I find it hard to accept that the platform starter can be cleared without the route being cleared. Semaphore signals didn't operate that way ( colour lights do ) perhaps someone has a cie rule book from the appropriate period

just came across this http://irishmodeltrains.webs.com wow , thats a lot of stock , is this person on IRM ?

Indeed, The 60s signalling diagram shows limit of shunt and as you say the later ones were all equipped with advanced starters. ( when did that happen?), ( and you are right they were removed from the later signalling diagrams) However , certainly as per Uk railways procedure, ( as I have no copy of CIE signal rules). You could not pull off starters until all signals including advanced starter ( and often interlocked with line clear) ahead were pulled off . One would have thought this is exactly why the shunt signal was installed on the signal post. Yet the main platform starter is clearly off , for the run around.

coal train , claremorris near end cant find the manilla shuttle video again .....

The juice tank was directly ahead near the turntable, so made no sense to detach and head back the way they came Limit of shunt is marked on the signalling diagram , clearly on the western end. But not the eastern end Thanks re coal train, how were they emptied ?

I was watching some you tube video of claremorris workings pre 2000 , including foynes ballina coal train and also manuala shuttle ( 071 and two coaches ! ) Couple of questions for knowledgable types. The locos ( 121 pAir. ) seemed to detach from the foynes coal train at claremorris , and ( videos ends) either to run round or return light engine ( to where ? ) , since the train is going to ballina , can't see the purpose of the run round. Any ideas ( the train stopped at platform 3 ) In the shuttle video. It's clear the 071 is running round the shuttle to return. Interesting the engine is given starter signal , rather then the shunt disc, which I find strange , as this would to my understanding , require a blocking back into section , and line clear request etc. the crossover was hardly outside the claremorris limit of shunt. Of was cie casual about this sort of thing , normally starters can only be pulled off of the line ahead is clear and all signals are off into the next block ( or the train was accepted under limited acceptance rules ) Interesting the limit of shunt signals are clearly delineated at the western side of the station on the signal diagram. But not so on the eastern side ( dub, limerick etc ) funny ? Any views ideas etc How long did the coal trains run, they seemed to be containerised rather then hopper is that the case ? Thanks again.

Firstly that data stops at 2010. Based on projecting 2014 Q4 forward , at just under 6 kgtm and showing growths of 5-6% suggest 2015 will be around 26 kgtm. Not far off 50s early 60s given that the accuracy of the data pre 1990s is suspect. Q4 was a record year since accurate kgtm records were maintained. Freight lifted ( ie carried) is at record highs. This all compare with approx 13 kgtm in the 80s under BR http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/12189/freight-rail-usage-2013-14-q4.pdf Network Rail have forecast a doubling by 2030. Which would bring uk freight to potentially its highest ever numbers. As for passengers. It matter not WHY they are using rail, simply that they are. Subsidies were way too low under BR. are now at realistic levels to enable rail network replacement , which is occurring apace Re nationalising the railways would be a disaster and NO political party of any merit has it in its agenda. Irrespective of what you feel about nationalisation politically, the current system is invigorated compared to a moribund system pre privatisation. I'm not saying mistakes weren't made but today you just can't argue with the freight and passengers carried. Lines are being reinstated , track doubling and quadrupling , gwml electrification , reading etc. even steam has got a major boost as it formed into TOCs and has commercial access rights , and doesn't have to go begging to BR. The actual quantitative amount of subsidy is irrelevant, the end result is that rail activity is growing not declining. The uk can easily afford the subsidy and it's a fraction of overall road infrastructure costs , especially accumulated costs. Network rail recently stated that the uk rail network overall activity is greater now then any time since 1920 , arguably the zenith of private steam

Funnily I have the opposite experience. I emailed PM twice re queries and both were answers promptly. Try that with bachmann

Yes but look at all the knobs and dials. Loads of buttons to push As I said. In my opinion and that's all it is. I have no interest in " purely " driving trains around a model track , I mean there's about 3 levers to work and nothing else to do. On a layout , you are the signal man , guard , driver , station master all rolled into one. Our tar is run in a controlled environment very different to usa practice What does he do, when he wants to reverse

Found it. This is a very good throttle and dcc sound linkup [video=youtube_share;kYovzfNiFKQ]

No. I can't find the video. But it used an Nce power cab bits but around a miniature US standard control stand