Warbonnet Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Bachmann have announced that they're doing a new 4 function 21pin DCC chip. This one now supports advanced consisting, which will be good news to those looking to run 141s in pairs. More details here http://www.bachmann.co.uk/details.php?id=85&vis=2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Scotsman 4472 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 About time Fran they've fallen behind big time in this sector Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbonnet Posted February 4, 2013 Author Share Posted February 4, 2013 About time Fran they've fallen behind big time in this sector Yep, interesting to see how good they are and what price they will be. I have 141s, 20s and 37s I'd like to pair up! Be interesting to see if they're any use in the 071s and 201s too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirflick Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 fran, just out of interest, if you wanted to doublehead, why not remove the motor from one loco? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Scotsman 4472 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) Originally Posted by heirflick fran, just out of interest, if you wanted to doublehead, why not remove the motor from one loco? Double heading on models in some cases is just like the real thing as you need extra power to pull a train up an incline. Imagine the yank modellers taken the motor out of their locos to pull there long trains using just one loco. There wouldn't be enough power. Edited February 4, 2013 by Anthony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbonnet Posted February 4, 2013 Author Share Posted February 4, 2013 fran, just out of interest, if you wanted to doublehead, why not remove the motor from one loco? I like to have the extra power especially on long trains and big gradients Seamus. And sometimes I'd want to run them single too. DCC gives you nice flexibility to do both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishthump Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 fran, just out of interest, if you wanted to doublehead, why not remove the motor from one loco? You can always set both locos to the same address. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirflick Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 understood! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbonnet Posted February 4, 2013 Author Share Posted February 4, 2013 You can always set both locos to the same address. You can but then they're the correct lighting patterns to worry about! Maybe I take this too seriously.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirflick Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 You can but then they're the correct lighting patterns to worry about! Maybe I take this too seriously.... no fran, you are right! if you are going to do it , do it properly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishthump Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 You can but then they're the correct lighting patterns to worry about! Maybe I take this too seriously.... Well that's not a problem as you can map the light functions to suit the consist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbonnet Posted February 4, 2013 Author Share Posted February 4, 2013 Well that's not a problem as you can map the light functions to suit the consist. That's a lot of faffing around though for me. Advanced consisting would sort out the lights when two locos are put together and when you put them back they can return to normal without extensive programming. I see the new chips are made by Soundtraxx as opposed to ESU (who made the old Bachmann 21 pin and 8 pin chip) and is in the Blue Pullman. I can say that they are super smooth in my BP and the yank tsunami sound decoders I have are top notch control and sound wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Scotsman 4472 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Are the new Bachmann decoders on the market yet Fran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbonnet Posted February 4, 2013 Author Share Posted February 4, 2013 Are the new Bachmann decoders on the market yet Fran Hattons have them pal, I'm sure Seamus will be along to tell us if they're available over here too http://www.ehattons.com/52534/Bachmann_UK_36_557_E_Z_Command_1_Amp_4_Function_21_Pin_DCC_Decoder_Back_EMF/StockDetail.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 I bought 4 of them from Marks Models, they are made by Soundtraxx. They are supplied with all CV's set to 0. So if you have a basic DCC controller you won't be able to program them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbonnet Posted February 4, 2013 Author Share Posted February 4, 2013 I bought 4 of them from Marks Models, they are made by Soundtraxx. They are supplied with all CV's set to 0. So if you have a basic DCC controller you won't be able to program them. Interesting Dave, thanks for that. Can you remember the price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 It was around €80 for the four. I wasn't impressed to find they are not programmed. I have the basic Dynamis so I'm changing it for an NCE Power Cab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishthump Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 It was around €80 for the four. I wasn't impressed to find they are not programmed. I have the basic Dynamis so I'm changing it for an NCE Power Cab. But AFAIK you can program CV's with the Dynamis can't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Scotsman 4472 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 But AFAIK you can program CV's with the Dynamis can't you? Yes but you can't read CV's with the Dynamis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Scotsman 4472 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 They are supplied with all CV's set to 0. So if you have a basic DCC controller you won't be able to program them. Dave do you get a list of CV's with the decoders so you know what's what Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Scotsman 4472 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 I have the basic Dynamis so I'm changing it for an NCE Power Cab. I forgot to say Dave don't forget to get one of these as they are very handy http://www.dccsupplies.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=1316 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 But AFAIK you can program CV's with the Dynamis can't you? You can only program with the pro box and its €200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Dave do you get a list of CV's with the decoders so you know what's what Yes you do, they are Primary address 3 Start Voltage 0 Acceleration rate 0 Deceleration rate 0 Max Voltage 0 Voltage Mid point 0 Version 96 Manufacturer Soundtraxx Extended address 192 Extended address 3 Consist address 0 Speed table select 0 Configuration 6 Thats the full summary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Scotsman 4472 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Yes you do, they are Primary address 3 Start Voltage 0 Acceleration rate 0 Deceleration rate 0 Max Voltage 0 Voltage Mid point 0 Version 96 Manufacturer Soundtraxx Extended address 192 Extended address 3 Consist address 0 Speed table select 0 Configuration 6 Thats the full summary I've ordered one from Hattons so will give you a call and let you know how I get on. BTW check out RM web to see if anyone has put up any info regarding reviewing/programming of the new decoder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 I've ordered one from Hattons so will give you a call and let you know how I get on. BTW check out RM web to see if anyone has put up any info regarding reviewing/programming of the new decoder.[/quote I'll check it out, cheers man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishthump Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 You can only program with the pro box and its €200 You can write to all cv's with the Dynamis, but you need the Probox to read them back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgeconna Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 You can only program with the pro box and its €200 Marks Models had the Probox in stock till fairly recently, Price E119.99, You can read back CVs etc with that unit. They also have the new decoder in as well. Cheers George. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Scotsman 4472 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 €160 and probably one of the best systems on the market and as your layout grows so can your system the Bachmann Dynamis is plagued with relyability problems http://www.dccsupplies.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=24_111&products_id=487 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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